F-18Growler, thread’s meant to be a bit of a laugh about outrageous claims. If you can’t handle a joke, I recommend you don’t read it.
MSphere, whoops I did mean 613X.
I thought the F-5s were used as Lead In Fighter Trainers only by 3 AJu only (133 and 134 Filo) and not an operational combat role? Oh and Turkish Stars display team.
It’s also why I didn’t include Spanish F-5B’s.
Happy to be corrected though.
Australia to get 12 new E/A-18G Growlers for total of 36 Super Hornets
Also note that first 3 F-35 not scheduled to arrive in Australia until 2020 and no plans for fourth Air Warfare Destroyer.
Australia commited to 3 squadrons of F-35
This would seem to indicate that only 72 will be acquired for 3/75/77 Sqn and assumes 18 for 2 OCU. Basicaly a legacy Hornet replacement with 36 strong Super Hornet fleet to be retained.
Agreed on all counts.
Seems French are still not willing to commit to a second carrier, thus making their carrier force a part time capability only.
Libya seems to have been the swansong of NATO overseas combat ops.
There’s just not enough meat left for any sustained conventional expeditionary operations.
And you’re totally right about someone else filling that void.
French Defence White Paper outlines future air fleets:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/french-white-paper-sets-equipment-course-for-2025-385408/
Of note is combined AF/Navy fighter fleet of 225 aircraft.
That would seem timply the next Rafale purchase is 50 a/c (180 ordered +45 new + 5 attrition).
any opponent that can threaten a UAV operating at high altitude also poses a relatively high danger to any manned jets (which have been shot down over Bosnia, namely two AH-64s, an F-117 and an F-16, which together probably cost more than the 47 UAVs that were lost) and considering that these jets are much more expensive and also cost pilot lives these losses are relatively speaking much heavier
No F-117s were lost over Bosnia.
Losses in Bosnia were:
1 x F-16C
1 x Harrier II
1 x Mirage 2000N
F-117 was lost over Serbia in 1999 along with 1 F-16.
2 AH-64s were lost to accidents (both near Tirana, one of which was in front of news media covering the deployment). AH-64s never flew combat sorties over Kosovo in 1999.
Szarko,
Croatia is currently engaged in a process to upgrade MiG-21s to 2020 or even 2023. 7 aircraft are to be upgraded and 5 new ones acquired.
Croatian MiG-21s never went through a LanceR or Bison type upgrade. It was a limited upgrade which involved installation of some Western electronics to make them minimum NATO compatibility.
Weapons and key warfighting systems were left unchanged.
As for Iran:
– Msphere is right about numbers delivered. The aircraft starting with 3-61XX are apparently upgraded aircraft from original batches.
– HESA SAEGEH was a joke. 5 were converted from existing airframes. The Iranians keep reissuing the same propoaganda about entering squadron service but those 5 aircraft seem to be it. Apparently adding a second tail and painting it the same colour as Blue Angels makes them equivalent to a Hornet.
That being said F-16.net ain’t far off
The ultimate F-35 fanboy site. That said there are posters there who do know what they’re talking about and the overall site is great for info on F-16/-22/-35.
I read fluent Croatian.
For some reason there’s a few Iranian defence forums in English.
E.g.
http://www.iraniandefence.com/forums/iran-air-force/
And while we know the F313 is a fake, there’s people on the Iranian defence forums who do not.
Croatian Air Force looking at MiG-21 refurbishment + 5 additional MiG-21s – in Croatian:
Apparently 60% of Croatia’s fleet of 10 MiG-21 including all MiG-21UMD will be time expired by middle of 2013.
Government is looking at overhauling 7 jets and possibly acquiring a further 5 (yup MiG-21 still selling in Europe in 2013).
Overhaul would allow jets to last to 2020 (though some sources say 2022-23).
Potential contractors are Aerostar (who did last MiG-21 upgrade in 2003) and a Ukrainian overhaul facility.
Apparently offers for MiG-29M and JAS-39 resulted in confused messages from Croatian defence department and appear to be rejections.
Also 8 MiG-21s in storage have been left to rot in the open. These were newer airframes that were meant to be repaired after first batch of 12 in 2003 but never were due to plan to acquire new fighters (for which Croatia has never held a formal process).
http://obris.org/hrvatska/tihom-nabavom-po-remont-i-kupovinu-mig-21/
http://obris.org/hrvatska/paralelne-price-o-remontu-mig-21-i-nabavi-letjelica/
If the Croatian MiG-21s are kept to 2022-23, that will make them the last European MiG-21 user (Serbia and Romania are to retire MiG-21 by 2018-20).
Are older model J-8s still in service?
Especially curious about older J-8s with nose air intake (J-8, J-8I, J-8E, JZ-8)?
Also how does the J-8 fit into Chinese battle plans e.g. air war over Taiwan. Would the J-8 be directly involved in combat patrols or would it be used for CAP over non-critical sectors? What about J-7s?
How many J-8s are assigned to a regiment?
Finally have the Chinese got an out of service date for J-8 and J-7?
And when does it enter service? Is it ready yet? Even a Mk2 variant of the Tejas will fly and be I service by the time the Gripen E/F enters service with the Flygvapnet and the SwAF.
So really state of the art light fighters don’t even exist in service as per you?
The JAS-39C/D is an advanced state of the art light fighter. JAS-39E/F pushes it further.
I have not seen anything that would indicate a Tejas [b]Mk I is more advanced than a JAS-39C/D.
JAS-39F development aircraft is already flying and prototype aircraft is scheduled to fly later in 2013.
JAS-39E/F is expected to be delivered from 2017 onwards.
Tejas [u]Mk 2[/u] first flight is expected in 2014 with delivery in same period as JAS-39E/F.
All this assumes that HAl and Co can deliver on time and this is something even Indian Defense minister AK Antony isn’t too confident about. Apparently on eve of Aero India 2013 he told DRDO that:
“I am happy for your achievements of DRDO but not fully happy. Delay in delivery is a real problem… Try to speed up your process and reduce time for research, development and production. [DRDO is getting ready for a 2nd initial clearance for Tejas, but] I am impatient for the Final Operational Clearance (FOC)….. Antony also expressed his disappointment over reported lack of cohesion between the aircraft development agencies under DRDO and aircraft maker HAL.”
In same articles there’s scathing reports of HAL being unable to set up a production line, let alone one that uses modern techniques.
With a total of 183 Tejas fighters in 3 different variants planned for induction into the IAF and IN, how the Tejas is a failure I cannot fathom.
If you bothered to read my post, I stated Tejas Mk I which will be acquired in a very small production run of 40 a/c. Never said anything about Tejas Mk 2 being a failure.
The Mk1 orders were capped at 40 so that HAL can begin delivering the Mk2 right after the 40th Mk1 is delivered. If the Gripen E/F were available from 2018-19 onwards, why would any customer order more C/Ds to be built post 2018-19?
Depends on the user’s requirements. E.g. Croatia is apparently fast tracking MiG-21 replacement and has been formerly offered 8 JAS-39C/D.
Thailand might want more to supplement it’s existing 12 JAS-39C/D.
That was an IAF and MoD decision to not develop the HTT-35 as well as the HTT -40. It could have been easily done in 5-6 years. Maybe they wanted HAL’s resources used elsewhere at that time. A poor choice since it led to imports for a basic trainer, something India built even 2 decades earlier in the form of the HPT-32.
I think there might be some boffins at MoD and IAF who doubt Indian aerospace can deliver the goods on time. Especially given scathing comments from Indian ministers and air force officials about the industry.
And a HPT-32 is not like a PC-7 Mk II or PC-9.
It’s like saying India built the HF-24 Marut in the 1960s so can build a fighter easily today.
I’d rather the F-16.
– Better spares support
– Uncle Sam FMS credits.
– NATO compatibility
– NATO weapons integrated (this usually not done by the French and MF2000 was run by Sagem and Thales). And Morocco opted for new build F-16s instead of buying surplus French or Spanish aircraft.
– Mirage F1 becomes an orphan aircraft as of 2014 with the Armee de l’ Air to retire their remaining squadron. Spanish F1s leave in 2013. That leaves Morocco, Libya, Gabon and Iran as remaining users. After 2014 total global operational F1 fleet is less than 50 a/c and most of these are in Morocco.