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February 27, 2012 at 10:04 pm in reply to: Seen On Ebay Thread (August 2011) #1047125

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This lot looks right up the street of some of you on here, you will need to get a projector to run them or get them put on DVD.. The quality will be there as they are official films, but I don’t know if age comes into it.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aerobatic-Team-Cine-Films-Red-Arrows-Official-Air-Force-Issue-1960s-/230750513209?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6631544723797881061#ht_500wt_922

Nice find, rare opportunity I would think, I’ve never heard of the ‘Blue Chips’ RAF Chipmunk team before now!

February 27, 2012 at 1:53 pm in reply to: Merlin Halifax #1047658

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Please can anyone give me the actual diameter (or even the circumference) of the Merlin Halifax Rotol spinner at the backplate…

I also require the max width of the main nacelle fairing.

I can’t wait for this if it comes to fruition.:)

February 27, 2012 at 10:48 am in reply to: HS Gnat T.Mk.1 colour schemes #1047841

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I can’t find a ref number either, I wonder if was because the fluorescent colour was ‘built up’ from different undercoats and successive final coats to achieve the shade?

February 27, 2012 at 9:50 am in reply to: HS Gnat T.Mk.1 colour schemes #1047973

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My understanding is this,

Gnats entered service in the overall silver with Golden Yellow (BS381/356) training bands around the rear fuselage and inner wings (almost at the roots), possibly only a few aircraft apeared in this scheme.

Went to, silver with fluorescent red/orange paint applied to the nose, tail, and outer wings & tanks.

Then to, fuselage, fuel tanks and tailplane finished in Signal Red (BS381C/537), fuselage upper sides (not inc the dorsal spine) & fin/rudder in white, wings top and undersides finished in Light Aircraft Grey (BS381C/627).
This scheme modified to, tanks, wing, and tailplane top sides finished in Signal Red with LAG under surfaces only, and a white stripe applied over each top side mid wing position above the drop tanks.

This comes from the RAFs painting AP of 1972,
“However, R.A.F. aircraft are being repainted with high gloss polyurethane finishes and signal red polyurethane paint intstead of Scotchcal tape or fluorescent paint. It will be some time before the latter two materials are completely superceded.”

Which suggests that, that was the era that the scheme went from silver/dayglo to red/white/grey, the aircraft gradually being refinished as they went through servicing, ie not all in one go, from the late 1960s.

Worth noting that the Airfix Gnat is a completely new tool, can’t wait to pick one up!:)

February 26, 2012 at 9:45 pm in reply to: End of an era for St Athan today #1048195

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Have you any recollection of the Navys Phantoms and Buccaneers returning from Ark Royal to Saints in 1979? Was there a lot of conversion work to be carried out before handing over to RAF service?

This history of XV951, the Phantom nose section at RAFM Cosford mentions this and illustrates well the St Athan connection with Phantoms, http://nationalcoldwarexhibition.org/explore/aircraft-information.cfm?aircraft=McDonnell%20Douglas%20Phantom%20FG1%20(Nose%20section%20only)&topic=Individual%20Aircraft%20History

Some excellent pictures of the Phantoms and Buccaneers arriving at Saints from the Ark by Robin Walker on the Air Britain site here, http://www.abpic.co.uk/search.php?q=RAF%20St%20Athan&u=location

On the AIX forum someone has posted good pics of RAF Phantoms in maintenance there.

I think the type will be forever linked with the place, partly due to the well known picture of Guy Pearce flying a Phantom down between the 70s hangars!

February 26, 2012 at 5:52 pm in reply to: End of an era for St Athan today #1048520

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Interesting posts here, be great to hear more and maybe see pics, and I don’t mean in relation to the previous post!:eek:

February 26, 2012 at 5:27 pm in reply to: Never seen before photos #1048542

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Cracking shots Tony, very evocative of that period of the RAF.:)
Chinooks always looked best in that three tone scheme to me:)

February 26, 2012 at 5:21 pm in reply to: HFL Hunters and Gannet at St Athan #1048547

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You’re joking aren’t you H500, there’s been a determined effort to close the place down over the last ten years:(

If anyone has the will to open it up I’m sure HFL are the people to do it, be great to see the air shows return!

February 24, 2012 at 10:27 am in reply to: End of an era for St Athan today #1051107

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Place Names

A minor puzzle…why do so many refer to the base as Saint Athans ? Was it just wishful thinking ! Athens, sun, excitement back then.

I can never understand that either:confused:, the old name is Saint Athan, usually contracted to St Athan, but many refer to it as St Athans with the ‘s’, Saints is the most common way though.

I like the way that the other old place names have been upheld for the remote ASU sites, such as Pickestson (A site), Beggars Pound (B site), Batslays (C site), West Orchard (D site), and the ancient church and manor house (once the radar development HQ) of Eglwys Brewis that are ‘this’ side of the fence.

Tony, job’s safe for a bit, but on short rolling contracts, visit that bank quite regularly.

February 23, 2012 at 9:38 pm in reply to: XX914 VC-10 – Yes Comet – Maybe? #1051564

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Looks like a typo, Comet 4 G-APDP became XX944 for the RAE, http://rzjets.net/aircraft/?page=2&typeid=246

February 23, 2012 at 9:30 pm in reply to: XX914 VC-10 – Yes Comet – Maybe? #1051569

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XX914 was the RAE VC-10, ex G-ATDJ and ended its days as a traning aid at Brize.
XV814 was an RAE Comet 4, ex G-APDF, known as the Comrod due to the Nimrod fin fillet, it was still flying into the eraly 1990s, scrapped in ’97 I believe.

February 23, 2012 at 8:28 pm in reply to: End of an era for St Athan today #1051607

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What does this mean for you jobwise James ?

Funny old thing, my opo and I were handed our redundancy notices on Monday, however it appears it was a down to a lack of understanding of the changing situation! Bit of a moment though!
However, It will be a pretty bad day for a lot of people today, DSG will finish on site at the end of March.

I agree about the loss of skills and training, you only have to take a wander around the site to appreciate the engineering and workmanship that was once carried out here.

February 23, 2012 at 8:22 pm in reply to: End of an era for St Athan today #1051615

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Pretty sure I had my first flight in a Chipmunk there as well. Is there any RAF presence left at all?

Hi Ian, 4 SoTT are still on site and are the main occupants, though they seem to be a shadow of their former selves, they are rumoured to move by 2016.
UWAS Grob Tutors and the VGS Vigilant gliders will remain for the time being, from the beginning of April 22 Grp Air Command will take over the running of the airfield for a period.
We still get occasional Hawk & Tucano excercises, and the Army unit provide a good amount of rotary and Hercules movements.

I realise that there are many units and aspects that I haven’t mentioned about Saints here, purely because I was talking about the aircraft servicing aspect primarily.
Great to hear stories about all the activities though!:)

It was typical that the weather today was horrendous, I haven’t seen it this foggy for a long time, and it was wet, cold, and windy with it.
These were the best pictures of ZA147s departure that I could muster under the circumstances!

VC-10 K.3 ZA147 F 23 Feb 2012 by jamtey71, on Flickr

VC-10 K.3 ZA147 F 23 Feb 2012 by jamtey71, on Flickr

VC-10 K.3 ZA147 F 23 Feb 2012 by jamtey71, on Flickr

February 23, 2012 at 4:13 pm in reply to: Phantom Photos #1052051

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Even Fujimi followed suit……:D

That’s what sparked this debate, see post #180!

Hasegawa did the same, releasing a 1:48th ‘Phantom F Mk.3 Royal Air Force’

February 23, 2012 at 1:33 pm in reply to: Phantom Photos #1052260

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Anyone found an official document with Phantom F3 written on it yet?

I had a reply back from the AHB recently regarding this very issue, they can’t find any official reference to the Phantom F.3 at all, only to it being known as the F-4J (UK).

I’ve also found this Flight article June ’84 ( http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1984/1984%20-%201005.html?search=phantom%20f-4J%20UK ) by Bill gunston which basically pops the same question.

You probably didn’t need to know that SF;), but for fairness and tidying up the issue I though it best to post it up!:)

I guess then that the F.3 was a myth, all be it a logical one!
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