Apologies:o
Great to see this cockpit section preserved, how complete is the flight deck?
Is Spey Bay a place or the Spey bay at Kinloss, seems a bit of a coincidence?
Shame something like a Nimrod cockpit didn’t make its way down to St Mawgan in Cornwall to commemorate the types’ important association with that airfield.
I think you might have to start a seperate fin & rudder thread for that one Ozjag!:D
Nice item!
I suppose the presence of the tail planes and fin might present certain logistical difficulties to a collector who wants to take his or her ‘rear end’ to a display.
Yes, I was offered a special marks Phantom tail, as a remove it imediately from the site and you can have it deal, I was dead excited until I turned up and tried dragging it away by myself!:eek:
Excellent, first time that I’ve seen footage of the Shetland, thanks:)
Looks like ‘Getty Images’ to me.
It isn’t that apparent in the picture but the Shetland was somewhat larger than the Sunderland,
Span 150’4” v 112’9”
Length 110′ v 85’4”
Loaded Weight 120,000Ib v 58,000Ib
One case of a Short flying boat testing a Short land bomber item, was the Short Seaford that had the fin and rudder of the Sperrin jet bomber fitted.
It’s the Short S.35 Shetland I, DX166, of 1944. Stirling canopy unrelated but similar looking maybe.
There was also the civilian S.40 Shetland II, G-AGVD.
I think there are too many sources getting Tall Boy and Grand Slam mixed up, just adding to the confusion.
This and the subject of the UK visit are definitely worthy of more original research!
It doesn’t fit then.
A bit about Project Ruby here.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1946/1946%20-%201045.html
Fanbloodytastic, thanks!:)
Would love to know more about the two 4,500Ib rocket assisted bombs fitted under the wing roots of B-17s!
It still amazes me that the little old Lanc could lift and drop a 22,000Ib bomb, going from 36,500Ib empty to 72,000Ib operational AUW.
I’m sure I’ve seen reference to testing of the rotor head of the Fairey Gyrodyne (ie conventional, not the jet tipped version) on the back of a 1/4 truck, likely testing area would have been White Waltham, would that fit at all?
Strangelove I think your’e right, and I wonder if the same confusion is here,
Are the underwing bombs Tallboys or Blockbusters? It seems inconceivable to me that a B29 can carry the load of a Lancaster under each wing!
Tallboys are 12,000Ib each, so feasible for B-29 to carry two at 24,000Ib, or 12,000Ib under each wing, roughly half the Lancaster max load.
Lancaster could carry one 22,000Ib Grand Slam and the B-29 with modified belly could carry the same.
The first press reports of a B-29 coming to England was in October 1945. Reported in the Aeroplane Spotter on 18 Oct 45
Worth reading through as the article itself states one previous known visit to the UK by a B-29, with other sightings.
From memory I thought the YB-29 visited St Mawgan (Mar 6th?), Burtonwood, Bovington, Knettishall, and Horsham St Faith on the 1944 visit?
Helping out recently with a future Model I borrowed an Original Seafang and Spiteful Manual (bet you haven’t seen many of those) and that was interesting reading as lots of it just said not yet written LOL. Photocopied bits for Trumpeter Models. 😀
Now I’m interested!:)
[I]”Toward the end of the war a B-29 had been converted to carry two 22,000-lb bombs, one under each wing, for use against Japan.”
Now I’m surprised, a B-29 carrying not two 12,000Ib Tallboys, but two 22,000Ib Grand Slams, nearly double the types specified weapon weight capacity.
Or has someone got confused with the bomb types?
I know little about bombs, just quickly posted a link and pics of what is usually described as B-29 carrying two Tall Boys (which they appear to be to my eyes), I must admit that I thought Blockbusters were ‘cookies’?
I don’t struggle with the weight issue as the B-29 is quoted as being able to lift 22,000Ibs, but the positioning so far aft on the wings surprises me.
Re op Ruby, Wiki says this,
“Beginning in March 1946, Project Ruby was a joint, Anglo–American project to investigate the use of penetration bombs against heavily–protected, concrete targets. The target selected was the Valentin submarine pens, that had been rendered unusable and abandoned since 617 Squadron’s attack on 27 March 1945. Grand Slams were carried by Lancasters from No. 15 Squadron RAF and US Boeing B-29 Superfortress. Around 140 sorties were flown, testing a range of different bombs.”