Fortunately no one seems to be faking helicopter or jet grips yet.
I was staggered to see that you could get reproduction Javelin grips from Australia, however I should stress that they purport to be repros and not something they ain’t.
You do say that it was ‘normal for paratrooping’ to have both doors removed, I personally don’t agree with that. It is of course possible, and in some cases desirable (ie large load dropping) to have both cargo doors removed for flight, but I have seen very few images of C-47s/Dakotas in that condition during normal service flight.
In fact many of the images I can find of the main doors being removed was for other reasons ie gun mounting (Spookys’) and Speaker mounting (phsych warfare) etc.
Aeronut raises an issue that I was going to mention and that is the control of paratroop drops. Although paratroops needed to deploy fairly rapidly it had also had to be conducted in an orderly fashion from a safety point of view, just the normal para door being removed ensures good control of this, aswel as being a reasonable distance from the tail, ie it ensured nicely controlled para exiting from the aircraft with the maximum safety margins.
I would also think (but don’t know) that having either of or especially both of the larger door sections removed would cause buffeting inside the aft fuselage, uncomfortable on longer flights, but more importantly not condusive to clean drops and allowing the risk of people/items falling nearer the tail than desirable.
If it was as straight forward as just leaving off the fwd cargo door for normal para drops then I would think that the the inset door would have been deleted, or even not devised in the first place.
I’m not entirely devoid of humor, I’m sorry but unless there is something wrong with my computor that image isn’t what it purports to be to my mind no matter how bad the printing reproduction is, even what appear to be ghost impressions of the aileron trailing edges are wrong as they are parallel with the aileron leading edges, which of course the Dak dosen’t feature.
Can see your pics now Tony, very nice, thanks for those.
I must admit I thought there would be more interest in this story, maybe not Spitfirey enough!:rolleyes:
It seems improbable that fully-equipped paratroops would be able to exit quickly through the smaller in-flight (inwardly) removable door especially when wearing the British-designed ‘leg-bags’ containing much of their equipment (and weapons) but it seems from this account that it happened on D-Day.
CD please re-read the thread again, I went at pains to differentiate and point out that the only door that is removeable in flight is the small inset one in the fwd cargo door, it is completely removeable, and stowed out of the way, and not inward opening so as not to foul the path of the exiting paratroopers.
In photographs this does seem to be the most common approach to para dropping.
I can’t really concur with JDK that both doors (am assuming fwd & aft cargo doors?) being removed was that common, certainly from all the pictures that I have seen.
CD & J.Boyle, either I’m missing your humour or that would be highly effective camoflage as the ailerons match exactly the detail in the backgorund! Why would you just camoflage the ailerons anyway?
Something a bit odd about that pic (besides way too many people hanging on to it!:eek:), like both of the ailerons appear to be missing!:confused:
Tony Adderley brought along his fathers log books on the trip aswel, I wish I had the time to talk longer with him and to look through them.
These are the entries concerning his flights in Hornet Moth W9385,
1941
May 8, Middle Wallop Old Sarum 7 return 20 mins
May 8, return St Athan 40 mins (Wg Cdr Bathurst 1st pilot)
May 19, St Athan 50 mins (Wg Cdr Bathurst 1st pilot)
May 30, NI trials FEE Middle Wallop 20 mins
June 2, NI trials FEE Middle Wallop 1 hr 50 mins
June 2, NI trials FEE Middle Wallop 45 mins
June 13, Christchurch Worth (?) to M.Wallop 1 hr
June 17, C.F.S. Upavon & return 20 mins
June 20, Aberporth 45 mins
June 20, Aberporth Towyn return 40 mins
June 21, Aberporth Towyn return 40 mins
June 21, St Athan 50 mins (Wg Cdr Bathurst 1st pilot)
Oct 20, Portsmouth St Athan 1 hr 10 mins
1942
April 2, Manorbier & return 1 hr 30 mins
April 10, Manorbier & return 1 hr 30 mins
April 14, Perton & return 3 hrs
April 30, return St Athan 45 mins (to Manorbier in a Queen Wasp)
April 30, return St Athan 45 mins (to Manorbier in a Queen Bee)
May 1, return St Athan 40 mins (to Manorbier in a Queen Bee)
May 1, Manorbier & return 1 hr 30 mins
Group Captain the Hon.Michael Charles Adderley DFC OBE AFC & Bar had quite a remarkable career.
He started out at Sywell in 1938 and then stationed at Shawbury, Penrhos, PAU Henlow, PAU Hawkinge, PAU St Athan (with spells at Sutton Bridge & Middle Wallop), PAU Manorbier, RAE Farnborough 1945 – ’49, Tengah, Malaya (during the emergency), and then apointments at the Air Ministry, OC No 8 JSTU, Air Attache Prague (apparently quite exciting given time and place!), MoD Staff and Permanent Head Courts Martial.
He served with distinction during the Korean war flying F-84E Thunderjets of the 27th Fighter Escort Wing and was decorated by the Americans for this action, receiving DFC, Bronze Star and Air Medal
He received an OBE in 1960 for his work on Bloodhound development work in Australia
He flew 162 DH Queen Bees and apparently he was proudest about his work on the Avro Lancaster and Lincoln.
He also flew:
DH Tiger Moth, Hornet Moth, Hawker Hart, Airspeed Oxford, Prefect, Miles Magister, Westland Wallace, Miles Mentor, Westland Lysander, Queen Wasp, NA Harvard, Hawker Hurricane, Hawker Hector, Avro Anson, DH Hornet, Gloster Gladiator, DH Dominie, Vickers Wellington, Percival Proctor, Miles Martinet, Seamew (assuming Curtiss and not Shorts variety), Junkers 52, Lockheed Hudson, Fairchild Argus, DH Mosquito, Douglas Dauntless, Supermarine Spitfire, Consolidated Liberator, NA Mitchell, Gloster Meteor, Avro York, Boeing Fortress III, Percival Prentice, HP Halifax, HP Hastings, Gadfly, Vickers Viking, Miles Falcon, Bristol Brigand, Vickers Valetta, Vickers Warwick, Auster, Douglas Dakota, DH Vampire, and Chipmunk.
I must express my sincere thanks to Tony for allowing me to post these details about his late father on the forum and I hope it illustrates the important role of service trials pilots.
Not only very well thought out and illustrated updates of some fantastic workmanship, but superb photography aswel – thank you for sharing the companys’ updates with us so openly.:)
Many thanks Tony, I can’t view the images at the moment (due to this PC) but I do know that David is extremely keen on finding as much history, information, and pictures of his Hornet Moth as possible.
Rob, I think Tony had an extremely enjoyable day retracing his fathers past in the Moth and at Saints. They certainly had plenty of media attention when they turned up.

esb&wHornet Moth Saints 050 by Glassjar, on Flickr

esHornet Moth Saints 079 by Glassjar, on Flickr

esHornet Moth Saints 081 by Glassjar, on Flickr
Owner / pilot David Weston (right) and Tony Adderley

esHornet Moth Saints 017 by Glassjar, on Flickr

esHornet Moth Saints 092 by Glassjar, on Flickr
Thanks to both gentlemen for allowing me a bit of time to talk to them and get some pictures, hope you enjoy
Very few people seem to be interested in the Wellington; and I know that is something of a sweeping statement.
…it is, I think quite a few enthusiasts do like and respect the type.
However getting diifferent parties together with different parts to make one project is so frought with difficulties, such as loss of originality with individualy owned items, combined financial issues, and location, that I would think it would be almost impossible to achieve.
If one collection owned the whole lot it would be a different issue.
I don’t know what Marks of Wellington the respective parties own, so wouldn’t like to hazard a guess of what could be achieved.
As a Coastal-phile I would love to see a XIV!
Surely you can only love him?! Good luck Jim!:)
Surely you can only love him?! Good luck Jim!:)
At first I was wondering if the Jav was that silver 5 sqn machine, but concur with Lauriebe. It appears to have the coloured (dayglo orange) fin & wing leading edges and looks to be a FAW.7 rather than a later mark.
Lovely pics, thanks for sharing, especially like the trio of Valiants breaking.
The wing parts are useful but the undercarriage is not, perhaps the Hermes at Duxford can use them.
The Hermes uses a completey different twin wheel main undercarriage leg, being a tricycle rather than tail sitting type!
Be nice to see it reunited with a Hastings wings though.
Hmm, I know some RAF guys that will probably disagree with that, but I guess cost and time considerations probably enter the equation at that point!