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  • in reply to: Mercator P4M-1 #979214
    pagen01
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    I did not mean the forerunner of the U2 literally, but in its field of work.

    Possibly, but then there was other Ferreters and Signals aircraft around before that, I would think the USAF RB-29s/50s, B-45s, C-121s were more in line to progression to the U-2, but even then with their fuselages filled with kit and operators it was a different way of doing the task.

    I think the capability of the British Canberra possibly changed more than most the outlook on fast high-level, recce and ELINT work that led to the U-2 style operations.

    in reply to: Mercator P4M-1 #979331
    pagen01
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    I wouldn’t call the Mercator a forerunner of the U-2 but it was used for ELINT work by the USN as well as the PBY4-2 Privateer and P2V-7 Neptune.
    The USAF were using the B-45 for ELINT (inc from UK) before the U-2 era, though various unlikely types have also been used such as the C-130.
    the aircraft and crew losses of the ELINT work in the early cold-war period can be quite surprising

    in reply to: Demise of Classic Aircraft #979513
    pagen01
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    I agree with your sentiments Doug, I wonder though if forums etc must have an effect on the readership and sales of these mags, and that the ‘lesser’ interest types go first? If there’s a Spitfire on the front cover it will always sell?

    in reply to: XH558 – the future! #979552
    pagen01
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    To steal a line from LP Hartley’s ‘The Go Between’, ‘The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there’.

    Didn’t he do ‘Fly fishing’?!

    Probably best to merge the Vulcan threads again, they always descend to the same level.

    in reply to: Firefly WB271 #980000
    pagen01
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    There was something about WB271 that made it that bit special in my eyes, it just felt like a nice pure veteran aircraft, rescued by people that cherished it for what it was, and the parent service showing a great deal of respect for it.
    I always remember the shock of hearing about the tragic accident at Duxford, it was one of those aircraft that I always thought would be around.

    I certainly wouldn’t expect any part of the aircraft to have remained, both for the service reasons highlighted, and for the sake of the family whos loss must have been far greater than the machine.

    Lovely picture in the first post.

    in reply to: VC-10 Retirement Thread (merged) #981318
    pagen01
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    C’mon Tony, the VC-10s have all gone through major military role conversion programmes and years of modifications, they are miles off their civil origins and being operable on a CofA.

    In theory I can’t see why it can’t be operated on a permit though? Realistically the type doesn’t have the popularity with the public to be (massively!) funded and preserved in flying order.

    Enjoy the sight of a VC-10 while you can!

    in reply to: RAFM Hendon – 06Nov12 #983075
    pagen01
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    I’m always staggered at the quality you achieve at such low speeds, high ISOs, and freehand!

    in reply to: Isles of Scilly Helicopter service to end #529331
    pagen01
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    That’s exactly how I remember ‘EB (the sole S-61NM), when my grandad used to show me around on Sunday mornings.
    Penzance was less affected by fog than Lands End, but the real advantage was that the S-61 could fly in lower viz and had a lower minima, both in viz and wind terms.

    My aunt on St Agnes absolutely relied on the helicopter, as a regular passenger to ‘freedom’ on the mainland, one medical trip, and getting her flowers to Covent Garden ahead of the competition. The helicopter landed on St Agnes for this and flew the flowers directly to Penzance rail station. It had a good cargo capacity compared with the fixed-wing alternatives.

    The helicopter may have become an unbankable luxury, but there was a word in use in BEA and BA days which unfortunately doesn’t exist any more in business – and that’s service.
    My Grandad always said the turning point for him was just after Robert Maxwell brought BAH and turned it into BIH.

    BEAH (British European Airways Helicopters) was not funded by its nationalised parent, it was entirely self funding and had to generate the profits for its own survival, though being a wing of BEA undoubtely helped with any government led help.
    The helicopter was the most viable replacement for the three Dragon Rapides which could only carry eight pax each, and often flew in pairs, the new aircraft could carry 24 (from 1974 32) on one flight, and in the first year of operations carried 40,000 passengers, 14,000 more than the last year of Rapide operations.
    Also worth bearing in mind that St Marys airport was a very limited proposition for larger fixed-wing aircraft at the time, and even now with a hard runway is still regarded as bit of a challenge to expanding fixed-wing ops.
    The passenger figures forecast by Jock Cameron (that many doubted) were very soon exceeded and the totals for some years with just one helicopter are incredible, 96,500 in 1980 (67,000 over the busy 6 months of 1986) in fact until 1976 the Penzance Helicopter service was the only profitable internal service within British Airways.

    The North Sea oil boon in the late 1960s was undoubtedly a huge bonus to the company, allowing them to expand to 23 S-61Ns, 2 Wessex, and 5 Chinooks helping to support the Scillies route, it certainly seems that as the oil industry started to ease back, and BIH contracts were lost to Bristows that the fortunes of the Cornish operation turned for the worse.
    Charter work including freighting, underslung lifting, and SAR (Aberdeen S-61s saved 118 lives between 1971-77) all the S-61s being winch capable, all helped to subsidise the Penzance operation.

    The helicopter service did change day tripper access to Scilly, some may hate it for this, but others (including my family members on all but one of the off islands) came to cherish it, indeed the service was more heavily seated on its late return trips because of the experience by some passangers of the out going trip on the Scillonian. The heliports’ siting next to the main rail station and end of the A30 undoubtedly was a master stroke in the plan to make the service viable.

    What does come out shining from this is the Sikorksy S-61s themselves, the service that each individual airframe has given is quite remarkable. The service was the longest and most successful helicopter schedule anywhere in the world, and yet was flown by single airframes 12 times a day, 6 days a week, over 30+ years – that would put to shame many fixed wing types, indeed it was referred to as the Dakota of the helicopter world, being a major advancement in passenger rotary flight.
    I do hope that one of these machines (preferrably Echo Bravo!) will be preserved and displayed one day.

    I get that I do sound a bit rose tinted about the helicopter service, for the record Brymons’ aircraft fleet and early service was helped forward by friend of the family, and I have had many lovely flights from Newquay to St Marys on the Skybus Islanders and Twin Otters (including good old G-BIHO), I even chartered a Christmas flight from them for ATC at St Mawgan.

    To me this is a step back in aviation service, at time when we are meant to advancing.

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    in reply to: Seen On Ebay Thread (August 2011) #983345
    pagen01
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    Nice realistic starting price for a change as well.

    in reply to: Future 'Back to flight' projects?? #983692
    pagen01
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    Canberra is getting close though, isn’t one of the PR9s nearly there?

    And the B.2 at Coventry?

    in reply to: Future 'Back to flight' projects?? #983847
    pagen01
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    Progress reports on Gannet etc at HFL here, http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=113913&page=5&highlight=gannet

    Must say Wyvern is a bit on the wishful thinking side!

    in reply to: Future 'Back to flight' projects?? #983861
    pagen01
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    I would love to see a Gannet and Sea Prince back in the air, something HFL are actively doing something about right now!
    Other than that a Beaufighter would be very nice.

    in reply to: Hunter Nearly There ! #985169
    pagen01
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    Apologies, you’re right.
    I guess the P.1B was seen as too close to a Development Batch aircraft to take on, but it does seem pretty poor show as to what happened with the P.1B.
    I seem to remember it on display at a Farnborough show in the 1990s.

    in reply to: Hunter Nearly There ! #985365
    pagen01
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    Look at the Lightning they had, that P1.B should’ve gone to Cosford but no, it wasn’t a genuine RAF Lightning so they binned it for an F6.

    In fairness P.1B XG337 is at Cosford along with P.1A WG760.

    in reply to: Hunter Nearly There ! #986050
    pagen01
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    Looking very nice and an amazing amount of work looks like it’s gone into it.!

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