The Brigands really do it for me. Hopefully never again will a millitary type be scrapped until there are none left.
Excellent stuff, get selling, put em on Ebay – its never been better for unheard of artists to get noticed.
Welcome, well done, and good luck!:)
[QUOTE=RPSmith;1162763]When I saw the title “What are aviation museums for?” I assumed this thread would be a discussion on the educative values of museums, on preserving history for future generations, etc – but I was wrong!
It’s a discussion about what we, the enthusiasts, want from an aviation museum – how selfish :diablo: :diablo: :diablo: [QUOTE=RPSmith]
Umm, actually the first post did have some points that I thought we were to comment on, and this is an enthusiasts forum!
Those lights were a proper job fit at when they were converted, my guess is something like a Harley light or landing light. They had proper fairings for them, but I dont think every aircraft had them.
I bet at altitude in the sun, a silver aircraft could be as hard a target as a camo one.
Actually mentioning the german stuff has prodded me! I really do think thats an example of where better lighting should be used, these are very unique aircraft that people travel to see (and take photos of).
Maybe these places could have a ‘lights up’ hour for photogs?
I like everything you mentioned Moggy, other than the moody lighting!
The Hendon Halifax, Yeovilton Skua and many other wrecked aircraft on display are as important as the main displays, in fact as living history, far more important. I do see the low light is an advantage for that kind of display, for preservation reasons.
But I thank the lord above that I have seen and photographed Hendon, Duxford, Cosford and Yeovilton when aircraft where in airy sheds (and even towed outside for some events).
It is now near immpossible to get a decent photo of an Attacker for instance.
I really dont like this way of showing aircraft cramed into strange buildings and hanging from their roofs in funny poses. And the poor lighting dosent help. I do appreciate that Hendon has always been a bit dark, I think they can get away with it as a national treasure chest though.
I love the aforementioned places, even just the atmosphere of an aviation museum is so special, but luckily there are still places like Newark and Gatwick, with that earthy aircraft feel that enthusiasts have felt for years.
Well heres part of my collection, the Meteor panel is from T.7 VW427. It had an accident in the early fifties, and parts of it went to RAF training colleges. It is mostly original, apart from one fuel guage, turn and slip, and undercarriage indicator, but these are correct for type and age. The Mach meter is later but I think has the correct readings. It even has the original vacumn pipes attached to one feed, I assume to mock upflying conditions in the classroom.
Im looking for another fuel guage for it, any out there?
Vulcan surface indicator is something I consider to be the holiest of holies, so was glad when this came my way. And a Trident yoke, my grandad worked on these aircraft.
I have loads of guages which I probably will have to get rid of soon, but I will post on here first.
My wish list includes the VC-10 surface indicator (mounts in roof console)
Im still sure its dark sea grey that you need specs for, and not medium, and that Miggers is spot on with the yellow.
BAe/BAC did the initial conversions at Warton. Some 7 sqn aircraft had a different cut away bombay profile and had lights, to illuminate the Rushton winches, built into fairings on the engine nacelles. Servicing was at their base, St Mawgan, and indeed long after the 7 Sqn Canberras were retired in the mid eighties, the winches were serviced there (401 hgr) for 100 Sqn by Airworks.
The later 100 Sqn machines didnt look much different than standard Canberras.
I think when you take longer exposure pictures it allows the influence from the sodium lamps in the building to show in the picture. This is a greenish effect that you get in alot of hangar and museum pics. At least this can be corrected with digital technology.
Coo,I like the Vixen cockpit, never have the money when I have the space, and vice versa!
Excellent pics there John.
Well now that you have mastered Hendon your next mission impossible, should you choose to accept, can be FAAM Yeoviltons carrier deck! Good luck!
That landing photo really says it all, what a beautiful Bristol!
Just really glad the Cosford example is being restored.
That is indeed an ex St Mawgan 7 Sqn aircraft, and was there until at least Aug 1980, would be great to see it in its originals colours.
It looks like the camo on it now has been applied in the wrong shades (could be the pic?).
Also dark sea and extra dark sea grey fades, especially, as in the case on the TT.18s, the aircraft were left outside near the sea. I know this has led to all sorts of debates on the finish of FAA aircraft. Ideally you need pics of freshly painted aircraft or the paint specs.
Where was it before you obtained it?