If the UK returns to CTOL operations there is utterly no point in purchasing the Goshawk. The RN would do what every other country that performs CTOL operations does and send the pilots to train with the USN.
The Americans have a vast amount of experiance training people in CTOL operations and first class resources to provide that training. The USN can easily fit the small number of UK pilots into their training classes along with the French, Brazillian and Indians.
With only two carriers being purchased there is no point in investing in training aircraft even shared with france.
It’s not so easy. The F35B that will be onboard CVF are RAF property with RAF pilots. The RN will have only the carriers.
That means that the RAF will decide if and when to put the wings onboard CVF. When not necessary the RAF will deploy the F35B on land.
This is the case of today. RN has retired every RN Sea Harriers.
RAF Harrier are in AFghanistan and HMS Illostrious is taking a trip offering
to assist NATO av8b+ to mantain training of the RN air crew assistants.
To operate stovl from land or aircraft carriers it doesn’t need much training, so a RAF pilot can easily switch to operate from carriers.
For CTOL is different. To operate with catapults and to land onboard CTOL aircraft carriers will require a longer and harder training that is not convenient for RAF.
That’s the reason because the CVF are stovl.
49 aircraft, it wasn’t mentioned how many fighters or what type exactly, but I assume most were fighters, the source is a RAF Group Captain in AFM.
“had shot down 49 enemy aircraft to the loss of one… Exceeding expectations”
AFM November 2007 page 7
EDIT: The Eurofighter was shot down in Italy??? Then this must have been a different exercize, the 49 aircraft comes from the Skylance exercize in the UK. :confused: Sorry for the confusion, if there was any. But it doesn’t matter much, saying in Italy it was 1-0 and nothing else is rather weird. ๐
Wich exercice in may in Italy?
Once again then European.
There are ‘aircrafts’ and pilots.
Do you understand this now?.
Right Jonesy,
I know.
It’s only that I have a strange feeling seeing a carrier of HM without aircrafts.
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My question is, do u believe is better to have a own fleet of aircrafts for the RN or to continue with the RAF Joint Force in the future with F35B?
Thanks.
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Right,
talking of the future (2020) the RN is still a great navy,
but today with 2 aircraft carriers without aircrafts……
Bad moment for the prestigeous Royal Navy…..
By keeping it busy with cross-decking exercises, they are probably hoping no-one will notice…A NATO CV by default?
European Union CV will be good with spanish and italian harriers. ๐
So, actually the RN has not a fleet air arm?
Considering that french CdG and spanish PdA are out due to the MLU and Uk has no aircrafts for the HM carriers, the only aeronaval group in Europe is the italian with the Garibaldi and its AV8B+ ?
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This pictures show 4 italian AV8B+ onboard HMS Illustrious during the Nato exercice Noble Midas 07 in Croatia in october 2007.
There are others pictures with spanish AV8B.
Considering that all the fleet of Sea Harrier of the RN has been retired form service and that all the RAF harrier are in A-Stan or in maintenance, which airplanes and how many are available for the british carriers HMS Illustrious and Ark Royal if necessary for an emergency in this days??
:confused:
I saw many pictures of V22, AV8B+ italian, spanish and USMC, but it’s been a lot of time that I don’t see a recent picture of a
british aircraft (not helicopters) onboard a british carrier.
Is there somenone that could answer to my curiosity?
Thanks a lot.
KKM57P,
could you link the source please?
I don’t know any newspaper called ‘La Dรฉbรขcle ‘.
Thanks.
According with the article the americans are responsible for the bad export performance of Rafale? ….mmmm too easy to say that others are guilties :rolleyes:
Great news if EFA will win in Japan ๐ ๐
Hope they will choose EF and if so, the export market of EFA will increase for sure.
Crossed fingers
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The Rafale is hard to use ?
Since Dassault has refused the deal, it’s obvious ๐
What??
Dassault refused the deal of Rafale to Japan?
That’s a non-sense…
Very hard to trust… :confused:
Do you have a source please (in french too)???
French newspaper LaTribune reports that Japan is interested to buy EFA Typhoon and not interested in Rafale:
http://www.latribune.fr/info/Le-Japon-pourrait-acheter-des-chasseurs-Tyโฆ
Sorry, the source is in french.
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Good news.
Spartan win again. GO Spartaaaaann!!!!
GAO Reconfirms C-27J for Joint Cargo Aircraft Program
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36 F-16 block50+
Thanks bnaf.
Do you have source?
As no details has been disclosed no one knows what the quoted price includes! I have some doubts that Morocco will receive brand new F-16s, but we’ll see. Reports are often faster than the reality.
Sure, but same goes for Rafale or Rafale+Mirage.
Those are probably used F-16s and thus not comparable to brand new Rafales.
Of course, an F-16A is in another league. ๐
Are u sure?
In may 2007 Turkey signed a deal for 30 F-16 block50+ for 1.78 bln $.
It’s worth noting that the initial offer to Morocco from Dassault was 18 Rafale for 2 blnโฌ. After the LM offer, Dassault proposed 12Rafale+12 M2000 for 2 bln โฌ.
At the end Dassault arrived to offer 24 Rafale (brand new or not, who knows?) for 2 blnโฌ.