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January 7, 2008 at 8:48 pm in reply to: Japanese/Indonesian puzzle (includes flying boat) #1314402

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scorpian
your right about the h6k but it hink your wrong about the ki 84 i think it’s more likley to be a ki 43 i dont think the indoneaians had any ki 84’s a few ki 43’s and one or two ki 61’s
paul

Paul,

The Ki-84 is a Japanese Army aircraft it was the main fighter operated by them out of Java Airdrome from mid 44 to the end of the war.

These last two photos are from one of the five scrap yards that were located around the airdrome.

January 6, 2008 at 6:38 pm in reply to: Japanese/Indonesian puzzle (includes flying boat) #1315675

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Hi Archer,

So let see if I can help you out,

1, Yes its a Kawanish H6K but its one of the 20 H6K4-L unarmed transports build for Greater Japan Airlines the Allied codename is “Tillie” three of them were capture by the English when the Japanese surendered. The location I’m guessing is in Java at the old Surabaya Seaplane base.

2, The markings on the Hickory are those of the Indonesian Air Force a All Red Square with a black border.

3, The aircraft behind starting with the one the far to the right that is a Nakajima L2D the ragwing aircraft is a Yokosuka K5Y Biplane, and the fighter that you can see in the third photo is a Nakajima Ki-84 it appears to be the -Ib version. For location I would say it most likely was at the Jakarta Airdrome, this is were most of the Japanese Army aircraft ended up.

As for what is left nothing all of the stuff were scrapped by the end of 49.

January 5, 2008 at 7:20 pm in reply to: Laos, Cambodia airframe search #1316467

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canadair,

What type of airframe are you looking for and do you have a time period.

January 4, 2008 at 10:04 pm in reply to: What Important Airframes Might Be Lost In 2008? #1317225

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Bruce,

The B58 is actually a rare reccon version and yes most of the parts of it are near her.

As for a list well here is one I came up with off the top of my head for the States,

Located at NAS China Lakes East Ranges,

3 Straight Wing F-84 including the oldest F-84 a C model
5 FJs
1 B-29
2 PB4Ys ex Mother Ships for the F6F Drones
14 F6Fs Drones

Located at NAS Fallon

1 AJ-1
2 AJ-2
12-16 F-86 most of these are b and c models
2 B-47s including a stand off version
5 F9F
3 F11

Located at Edwards White Hot Range North

1 B-58
5 B-52 A and B Models
6 C-46 including a 23rd FS bird
`5-25 P-80/T-33 there is at least 3 P-80A still on this range and 4 T-33A with the duel 50 nose set up

But if you ask either the US Navy or US Air Force they will say what are you talking about:D

January 4, 2008 at 9:39 pm in reply to: NA Harvard Mk.1- Do any survive? #1317234

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As mark has point out that there are no early BC-1/Mk.1/SNJ-1 that have been put on display or flying. But thats not to say that their aren’t any that survive.

In my master list for Canada I have 7 Mk1s still out in the woods and I know of the location of a BC-1 in the States but the problem with these airframes are the location which make them very hard to go after.

As for the SNJ-1 I know of 2 crash sites on eof them I’m going to try to get to sometime in 2008.

Now there are a few BC-1A tat are out there also, there are three in the Mountains of Calf that could be recovered and rebuild to at least one flyere and one static using parts from later T-6s.

Its a shame that while we in the Warbird Community are big on hunting down the P-51 or F4U out in the wilds some of the rarer Trainers are out there and no one(well not everyone:D ) don’t want to go hunting for them.

I know they aren’t the big money ticket thing but it would be cool to have a BT-9/BT-8 and other late 20s early 30s trainers at Attack aircraft recovered.

January 1, 2008 at 6:28 pm in reply to: What Important Airframes Might Be Lost In 2008? #1321574

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how about the B58 on a photographic range somewhere near edwards, dont know if its endangered, but certainly a rare bird such as this deserves a better home

(courtesy of http://www.visi.com)

Hi Nashio,

This airframe has been a subject of recovery by the folks that run the Edwards Museum not sure what the latest is but it sure does need to be saved along with allot of other gems on the range.

January 1, 2008 at 5:52 pm in reply to: What Important Airframes Might Be Lost In 2008? #1321758

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So Jon,

Do you just want th UK then I’m not sure I know that much about that if you wish to add the US and the rest of the World then I can come up with quite a list, which is a bad thing if you think about it.

January 1, 2008 at 5:04 pm in reply to: Spits recovered in PNG paging Mark12 #1321767

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Thanks guys ,so the next question is do you think there are any more laying about in the Jungle. I’ve really never heard anyone except David in passing talking about Spits. were Huricians used in PNG if so whats the chance of any laying around in the bush.

January 1, 2008 at 1:21 pm in reply to: Solomon Island Recoveries #1321953

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Vegimite?

Vegemite, an Australian icon…but owned by an American company. 🙂

Mark

So is it sort of like Hagus then:eek: Oh and I understand the tatse thing you know me the Drinker of Moxie ask anyone not from the Northeast of the US and they wil tell you it taste like Motor Oil.:diablo:

January 1, 2008 at 1:19 pm in reply to: Solomon Island Recoveries #1321955

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The aircraft moved in the early 1970’s were the easiest aircraft to move. Similarily they were either rare or of value at that time. The B-25 and B-17’s
were plentiful in the U.S at that time – P-39’s and P-40’s were not . Similarily
Tallichet recognised that the likes of Beaufort would have a value due to their rarity. David Tallichet was a successful businessman – the aircraft left behind like the Japanese aircraft hadn’t become collectable in the 1970’s.

Very True David,

But my talks with Mr. Tallichet on the subject and reading the notes and official paperwork he had planned on going back to recover around 30 Japanese aircraft many were as you stated very easy to move. As for the two B-25 the Pappy Gun Bird and another which the id escape me at this minute he planned on getting them do to the fact they were rare types of 25. David always has said that instead of playing around at one of the dumps for two days he should have removed Swamp Ghost he knew that is was very rare. Don’t forget David was a B-17 Pilot and he was already on the look out for a 17 to add to growing aircraft collection.

The funny thing is he told me that he left the Spits there because he didn’t think there was a market for them while he was saying this he was laughing and going with his hand next to his head crazy.

January 1, 2008 at 4:42 am in reply to: Solomon Island Recoveries #1322138

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i’m hoping for at least 1 ki 46-11 as imho it’s one of the best loking aircraft of the war,i just cant get over the scale of these recoveries as for years i’ve been wanting to see japanese aircraft but never thought i would other than zero’s now the potencial is for a fair representation of a number of types and various uses,since getting the charles darby book ive though that leaveing the petes,jakes,betty’etc was a major waste now it looks like we’re going to see these and more:D .
paul
now we just need a beaufighter and mosquito to fly and i’m a happy little vegimite;)

As for the stuff that Charles and David left behind it wasn’t like they didn’t want to recover those aircraft when I talk to David about the recoverys he told me that they were given a time period to get stuff moved and that they had planned on going back for a second and third trip to recover allot more stuff including Swamp Ghost,the B-24 that is now part of the Aussie Museum and allot of the Japaness aircraft. But do to allot of different reason they never made it back. The interesting thing is that the PNG Government never took away the ownership of the aircraft from MARC. Hence why Swamp Ghost was allowed to be finally recovered but we all know what has happen since then.

You really eat Vegimite my god you a sick person Paul:diablo: 😀 :p 😮

January 1, 2008 at 3:17 am in reply to: Solomon Island Recoveries #1322206

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any word on the j1ni in that area,also intrested in the n1l1-j as i didnt know of any survivers id love to see a ki46 in the air(do you know if they are talking of ki 46-11″s or ki 46-111’s)this sounds like a great collection i just hope the mister taylons of this world dont get in the way of saving these

Paul,

As for the sub-types I’m not sure which one they are but since the Japaness Army operated both versions of the Ki-46 I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a few of both laying around.

January 1, 2008 at 2:48 am in reply to: Solomon Island Recoveries #1322220

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it’s about time someone recovered a few petes and vals and a jill will be nice to see,and last but far from least the world should have a restored betty.
damn good time for us lover of japanese aircraft.
are these going to be restored at wangarrata?
paul

Hi Paul,

I’m not 100% sure that they will be going to Wangarrata but it would make since since they have the Tonys their. I’m interested in seeing the Betty myself by what I’ve been told that they have a line on six other in the same location two being somewhat complete. Also by what I understand the following types have been found and will be looked at for recovery’s.

Aichi E13A
Kawanishi N1K1-J
Kawasaki Ki-45
Kawasaki Ki-48
Mitsubishi J2M
Mitsubishi Ki-46
Mitsubishi Ki-67 only part of the tail section and the wings the whole nose section was blown apart.
Nakajima Ki-43
Nakajima Ki-44
Tachikawa Ki-54 two have been located in a remote part of one of the five airdromes sitting in the woods.

Now mind you these are what have been found most of these wrecks are well know stuff at various former Japaness airbase’s.

But you know if Mr.Taylan had his way they would all sit and decay even more:rolleyes:

January 1, 2008 at 1:49 am in reply to: Solomon Island Recoveries #1322241

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Rob,

excellent news, its great to hear of more recoveries of rare Japanese aircraft and in particular exotics like the Val, Pete and Betty

regards

Mark Pilkington

Mark,

Yes it is they should be showing up on your shore sometime soon I’m not sure when but by what I understand they plan to bring them there for rebuild.

There is another operation planned for 2008 this also is looking to recover some Japaness aircraft along with some US and RAAF stuff.

So when are you going to move the Cat downunder ?

December 31, 2007 at 9:39 pm in reply to: What's on the "Wanted" List for 2008? #1322396

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1. A Safe Flying Season for everyone

2. The US Navy finally seeing the light and give up their Draconian views(Yea and I’m the next King of England)

3. A T-6 for me since I’m now in a position that I can play.

4. Attending both Geneseo airshow Gathering of P-40s and Thunder over Michagon Gathering of P-47.

5. Swamp Ghost finally come home
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