MarkGSave some money for early in 2010 – yesterday I heard about a new book involving a couple of forumites on the de Havilland Hornet that will soon be available from Dalrymple and Verdun Publishing. 🙂
:D:diablo:
MarkGThe new build YAK was built by the original manufacturer.
If Focke Wulf had made these new-builds on the original tooling using original drawings then, and tested/evaluated the new engines, systems, and improvements to the design, then it would be the same case…. but it isnt.
Quite. Seems pretty clear to me.
Can’t understand why so many people seem to be having so many problems with it.
MarkGthe bad news is that we’d already paid a considerable amount to cast up the bases utilising Pondskaters’ Sunderland one.
Oh, the irony! 🙂
There is a rule of course which says that you can wait for years for a real part to come along to no avail, but the second you spend a lot of time/effort/money replicating it then one will appear as if by magic!!!
I think we’ve all been there!:D
MarkGThe PTR 170 is a 12-channel UHF radio with a built-in ADF homing facility, although I believe there was a version without the homer. It’s of late 1960s/early 1970s vintage.
I don’t have a comprehensive list of aircraft that used it but I do know that it was fitted to a number of the export Hunters, including mine, as a standby set. It was also fitted to some helicopters (e.g. Wasp, Sea King, Wessex), late Chipmunks and other “second line aircraft”.
Being a relatively basic set if it was fitted to Canberras it would have been as a No.2 set I would think as per the Hunters.
Not sure that helps much!
Mark
MarkGcockpit is worth saving and is restorable…..i have restored far worse….it is down to the current owner, future potential owner and will (need all 3 ingredients).
Some people see bringing back such a cockpit from the ‘dead’ a worthy challenge and i agree.
Now, who will tell me I’m wrong and why?:)
I won’t tell you you’re wrong Tony because I agree with you 100%. Lightning parts are not the easiest to get hold of but, in principle, the cockpit is perfectly restorable.
It clearly wouldn’t appeal to the ‘just screw bits back on’ type of ‘restorer’, but to those of us willing to get stuck in, bash some tin and actually make bits it would be a viable project.
If it was a Spitfire we wouldn’t even be having this discussion would we? No-one would be calling “scrap it!”. In fact they’d be expecting to see it fly again one day.:rolleyes:
MarkGnot sure that it is desirable though.
I suppose the danger is that you parachute back into the burning wreck you just ejected from !!!
MarkGIs there a minimum height you can eject? like can you on the runway?
Or a maximum height?
Some of the old seats, with the introduction of the 80 ft/sec gun, allowed ejection from ground level but only with a minimum of 90 knots of forward speed.
MarkGIf I understand it correctly, I think in Geoffs case there was ample time to ready the aircraft for the emergency and set it up for good conditions for ejection, ie straight and level, good speed and height etc.
I gather that was also the case with Craig Penrice’s ejection from XF516, although height and speed were decaying. The reports suggest he did a couple of things ‘wrong’ though – he overtightened his seat harness which meant that there was so much friction in the QRB that the automatic man-seat separation mechanism couldn’t work.
It’s been suggested that what had a more direct effect on his back injuries however was his use of the seat pan firing handle rather than the recommended upper handle. In theory the use of the upper handle puts the body in a better position to handle the stresses of a ballistic seat ejection – straight neck/back, head back on headrest etc.. An 80ft/sec ejection gun delivers all it’s, not inconsiderable, force in a very short space of time. Although the gun uses 2 separate charges which fire in sequence (to give a slightly more progressive push) it’s still virtually one big thump compared to modern rocket seats which are a much (relatively speaking) gentler ride. If the spine in particular is not in a good position to absorb the force then injuries are very likely.
It seems that there are so many factors that can have an effect on post-ejection injury levels, certainly with the old ballistic seats, that it’s a bit of a lottery.
I believe pilots used to be stopped from flying bang seat equipped aircraft after a certain number of ejections. Is that still the case nowadays with rocket seats?
MarkGWere going now 😉
THANK YOU!
We have been working so hard to get things sorted soplease appreciate her 🙂
Well done, and I most certainly will! 😀
P.S. Can you fix the weather too?
MarkGRe the whole Waddo show and Vulcan subject, would people really have not gone to the show just because they hear that one aircraft wouldn’t fly?
The Vulcans permit issue is bad enough, but anyone expecting to go to an airshow, just to see one type fly is a bit nieve really.
It’s not always quite as simple as that though.
My Dad doesn’t closely follow the world of aviation in the way that most of us do, but he’s proud of his time in the RAF, the Hunters he worked on, the RAF as a whole and Britain’s aviation achievements. He was therefore delighted to see on the news that a Vulcan had been made airworthy again, so much so that he wanted to see it fly ‘in the flesh’. Having been unable to attend Kemble, I was very pleased to see that XH558 was down for Yeovilton (our next nearest airshow venue) as it gave me the chance to take him somewhere to see a Vulcan in the air again – the first time since he used to take me to the St. Athan “At Home” days when I was a kid.
So, with no Hunters flying and no BBMF, it’s unlikely I would have suggested to him that we go at all if it wasn’t for the Vulcan. So when I told him that ‘558 was unlikely to be flying after all, his disappointment was plain for all to see and, to put it frankly, I am really p*ssed off by the whole thing.
With an apparent doubt over the appearance of WZ507 as well, and the diabolical weather forecast, the whole Yeovilton trip is getting more pointless, for us, by the day.:mad:
MarkGRed highlighting please, so we can see what’s been changed…
Airspeed Horsa mkII wing and fuselage sections + skinning, minor fittings. (AS Horsa)
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley – rebuild (Whitley_project)
Auster AOP.5 TJ398 (geordie air)
Auster J1/N Autocrat G-AJPZ frame (Rlangham)
Auster AOP.9 XK421 frame (XM692.)
Avro Anson Mk.II (ex-Canada) cockpit (RossMcNeill)
Avro Anson C XIX front fuselage VP519 (Air Ministry and pal)
Avro Anson C.21 anon’ cockpit (RossMcNeill)
Avro Anson GR.1 EG426 – Static Project (Mark P)
Avro Lincoln B.2 RF342 – Static Project (Mark P)
Avro Shackleton AEW.2 WL756 nose/cockpit (Camlobe)
BAC Lightning 53-671/ZF579 (mjr)
BAC 1-11 G-AZMF (Fuselage) (GIA) (Lindy’s Lad)
Be2c Replica -airworthy restoration (The Blue Max & Low n Slow)
Beechcraft D.18s G-BKRN -airworthy restoration (philipturland and Texantomcat)
Blackburn Buccaneer S.2B XX889 (Buccsociety)
Boeing B-17 Cockpit section-reproduction (B-17man)
Boeing B-17 Radio room-reproduction (B-17man)
Commonwealth CA-6 Wackett Trainer A3-167 Flying Project -(Mark P)
Commonwealth CA-6 Wackett Trainer A3-85 Flying Project (Mark P)
Commonwealth CA-6 Wackett Trainer A3-156 Static Project (Mark P)
Commonwealth CA-27 Sabre, A94-983 (Pete.PS)
Consolidated B-24 Cockpit section-reproduction (B-17man)
de Havilland Chipmunk ‘pax WP927 (12jaguar)
de Havilland Chipmunk ‘pax WZ869 (Ritch & Max)
de Havilland Chipmunk ‘pax anon’ (XM692.)
de Havilland Chipmunk ‘pax WG419 (Texantomcat & philipturland)
de Havilland Hornet F.MK.1 nose/cockpit – repro’ (dcollins103)
de Havilland Mosquito B.IV ‘DZ313′ fuselage – repro’ (G Adlam)
de Havilland Vampire FB.5 VZ193 pod (dcollins103)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 XD599 pod (philipturland and Texantomcat)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 XE985 pod (MarkG)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 XH328 pod (Bruce)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 WZ584 (Bruce)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 WZ581 pod (alvampman)
de Havilland Vampire T.35 A79-660 pod (Battle)
de havilland Vampire T.35 A79-664 (A79-RAAFVampire)
de Havilland Vampire T.55 221 pod (alvampman)
de Havilland Sea Venom FAW.22 XG692 pod (XG692)
Douglas A-26C/B-26K Invader 43-22649 / 64-17657 nose/cockpit (XM692.)
Douglas C-47A Skytrain / Dakota 111 FL517 nose/cockpit (c-47 Skytrain)
English Electric Canberra B.2 WD954 nose/cockpit (Spitfireman)
English Electric Canberra B.6/MOD WJ775 nose/cockpit (Pure Lightning)
English Electric Canberra PR.9 XH174 nose/cockpit (newstart)
English Electric Canberra PR.9 XH175 nose/cockpit (RossMcNeill)
English Electric Canberra T.4 WT486 nose/cockpit (sniperUK/2241sq ATC)
English Electric Canberra TT.18 WH887 nose/cockpit (Pure Lightning)
English Electric Canberra T.22 WT525 cockpit (Spitfireman)
English Electric Lightning F.1 XM144 nose/cockpit (XM172)
English Electric Lightning F.1A XM172 full airframe (XM172)
English Electric Lightning F.2 XN769 nose/cockpit (rmc)
English Electric Lightning F.3 XP706 (Scott C)
English Electric Lightning T.5 XS420 full airframe (XM172)
English Electric Lightning T.5 XS458 full airframe (rmc)
English Electric Lightning F.6 XS897 full airframe (XM172)
English Electric Lightning F6 XS922 nose/cockpit (XM172)
Enstrom 280C Shark G-BXEE full airframe (now with main rotors!) (iws)
Fairey Firefly AS.6 WB440 cockpit+fuselage (HMS Vulture)
Fokker G.1 cockpit repro (Sonderman)
Folland Gnat T.185 ‘XM692’ cockpit (XM692.)
Fouga Magister CM.170 serial # MT-23 forward fuselage (XM692.)
Fouga Magister CM.170 serial # 63 cockpit (Fouga23)
Gloster Meteor T.7 WL405 (WL405)
Gloster Meteor NF.14 WS807 (Buccaneer Society/Jet Age Museum)
Handley Page Halifax B Mk III cockpit reproduction (Cees Broere)
Handley Page Jetstream 200 G-BBYM (GIA) (Lindy’s Lad)
Hawker Harrier T.4 anon’ nose/cockpit (XM172)
Hawker Harrier GR.3 XV806 nose/cockpit (XM692.)
Hawker Harrier GR.3 XZ993 nose/cockpit (pagen01)
Hawker Hurricane P3554 ‘Jessamy’ (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hunter F.1 WT648 nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hunter F.2 WN890 nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hunter F.4 ‘XF940’ nose/cockpit (XF940)
Hawker Hunter F.5 WN957 nose/cockpit (XG692)
Hawker (Dutch) Hunter F.6 N-202 extreme nose (XG692)
Hawker Hunter F.6 XG290 nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hunter T.7 XL591 (mjr)
Hawker Hunter FGA.9 XE584 cockpit (XE584)
Hawker Hunter GA.11 WT711 (XM172)
Hawker Hunter FGA.78 QA.12 nose/cockpit (MarkG)
Hawker Sea Hawk F.1 WF145 nose/cockpit (HMS Vulture)
Hawker Sea Hawk F.4 ????? cockpit (XE584)
Hawker Sea Hawk FGA.6 WV838 nose/cockpit (Jon H)
Hawker Sea-Hawk FGA.6 WV-903 Gutted A/C ( WV-903 )
Hawker Sea-Hawk FGA.6 XE-339 as 903 minus C/pit Section. (WV-903 )
Hunting Jet Provost T.3 XM355 (GIA) (Lindy’s Lad)
Hunting Jet Provost T.3 XM419 (GIA) (Lindy’s Lad)
Hunting Jet Provost T.3 XN549 nose/cockpit (avroxix)
Hunting Jet Provost T.5(P) XS231 nose/cockpit (XM692.)
Miles M-65 Mk 3A Gemini G-AKEK (galdri)
Miles Messenger M.2a G-AKIN -airworthy (texantomcat)
North American AT-6-D-1-NT Texan airworthy restoration G-TOMC (Texantomcat and philipturland)
North American P-51D cockpit (Geedee)
North American P-51D (Rocketeer)
Piper Aztec A N79LW (GIA) (Lindy’s Lad)
Piper PA-22 Colt – airworthy. (Moggy)
Piper PA-38-112 G-OLFC cockpit (Scott Marlee)
Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer Cockpit section G-AYFA (TwinPioneer)
Sepecat Jaguar GR.1 XX977 nose/cockpit (Paul Cunningham)
Slingsby Grasshopper TX/1 WZ820 -airworthy (Texantomcat & philipturland)
Supermarine Seafire Cockpit Project (Rocketeer)
Supermarine Spitfire nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VcTrop cockpit section (Qldspitty)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VcTrop Reproduction (Qldspitty)
Supermarine Spitfire Mk.VIII taxiing replica with a meteor engine (G Adlam)
Supermarine Spitfire IX (Stuart Gowans)
Supermarine Spitfire IX FSM BAPC.268 (Spitfireman)
Westland Scout AH.1 XP853 (WestlandScout)
Westland Wasp HAS.1 XT439 (alvampman)
MarkGAs Mark said – see photo.
Thank you David! That’s the one I’ve been trying to find!!!
MarkGI have seen photos of Venom pilot’s in the Far East wearing the standard issue webbing belt, holster (with presumably .38 Enfield) and ammo pouch with their flying kit. If they did it then I don’t suppose it’s out of the question that WWII pilot’s did too.
MarkGI’ve just posted a photo report on the Cockpitfest website here – http://www.cockpitfest.co.uk/ – in the “Previous ‘fests” section.
Sorry, some of the photos are a bit dodgy. My camera seems to have had a bit of a funny turn.:mad:
MarkGI have tried white spirit…no chance!
We had a thread on this a while back. Meths is what the Hunter AP suggests and is what XF940 used to get the covering off his new canopy. He had to use quite a lot of it mind!
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