Oops! Sorry. I have a busy day as well………….:)

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Here are a few examples of trial costs (death penalty and non death penalty cases, California):

Specific cases (California.)
People v. Scott Peterson, Death Penalty Trial
$3.2 Million Total
People v. Rex Allen Krebs Death Penalty Trial
$2.8 Million Total
People v. Cary Stayner, Death Penalty Trial
$2.368 Million Total
People v. Robert Wigley, Non-Death Penalty Trial
$454,000 Total

this is the innitail up front costs before conviction sentencing begins

then take into account death row inmates can spend almost a life sentence

but at the same time is spending huge ammounts on appeals and searching for further evidence/ witnesses etc

the cost soon accelerates past a life sentence

as most life servers accept that yes they did it and have to serve the repercushions

there is not the added threat of death to fight against

One factor that hasn’t been taken into account regarding this is the costs, I have no idea on the figures but if someone like Sutcliffe had been executed, in the long run it would have saved the tax payer a lot of money.

Very cold and callous I know but practical.

it was taken into account early on in the debate

with the countless appeals necessary and time allowed to run and searches for all avenues to be explored

to be 99% certain

the death penalty is actualy more expensive

but still has that small percentage of doubt

untill you can get it to 100% certainty ( including mental health issues )

the death penalty is unacceptable

I think you are making some interesting pionts, Tornado, but it would help if you used capital, letters and some punctuation. In such a long post I get lost.:)

appolgies ! it’s not as if i can’t do it , rather than i do it and onto the next thing as i have a lot of things to fill in in a day !!

first off lets make it clear what murder is as a lot of example cases here don’t even come into a murder charge

for murder to have taken place it has to be proved in some way there was pre medditated intent !!

if intent is proven not to have been there it is rightly the lesser manslaughter charge

take for instance the testosterone fueled young lad that is forever fighting then one day one misguided punch accidentaly kills another

the instant it happens is a wakeup call to him and he is mortified at what he’s done

no death sentence can ever be right in these cases it is young males being young males and nothing will change that

i know many now who were like that as young lads and deeply regret thier actions

two i know are big softies who regret not being able to get jobs theyed like ( and would be good at ) because their CRB stops it

a lot use the phrase ” why should my youth haunt me because of typical young male behaviour that is nothing like i am now

there would be a lot hung for what ammounts to typical young male behavior ( just because you didn’t do it because your bodys chemistry was difrent is no support for an argument )

i feel that problem is going to get larger as institutions where that agression could be used usefully are shrinking in size ( the forces )

yet i once watched a programme on TV about millitary killing in war that interviewed a wide range of people from all manners of backgrounds

they ranged from d’day veterans up to top psychologists and it was proved there was only a small percentage that ( appart from self deffence ) were actualy shooting to kill

the bigger percentage opted either to miss or just inflict injury ( that ammounted to both sides )

they discovered from findings that there was only a small percentage that were killers ( and that percentage was about the same as it would be in civillian life )

the proved there was psychotic behaviour in them that although controlled and never came to anything ( given the right set of circumstances it could )

so then we come to the biggy ( pre meditated murder ) most pre meditated are performed by mentaly ill ( who if having rational thaught thinks they can get away with it )

i’d say practicaly all who pre medditate murder have a genuine mental illness

the trouble we have in the uk is most ( who are fortunate enough to have good all round health ) are ignorant and oblivious to others health issues

” hell yoyu don’t even have a disabillity if it isn’t plainly vissible like a missing limb or a wheelchair

and mental ilness is one of the most ignored areas by most people ( because they look physicaly O.K. there is nothing wrong with them is there ?? )

beverly alett had munchauses syndrome an attention grabbing disease her way of grabbing attention was making kids ill and then saving them thus becomming the hero ( sadly it went tragicaly wrong )

but other staff had thier suspisions it was her ( so would they be just as guilty for saying nothing ?? )

serial killers almost all show psychopathic behaviour , to murder once can be an accident or a fit of pique

but multiple becomes another level and i’d say all were mentaly i’ll

huntley , hindly , brady , christie , sutcliffe , west ( both ) , but ironicly our biggest scoring multiple murderer is often overlooked with a total of 218 murders atributed to him he is largeley low down in serial killer ranking

could this be because he was a besuited kindly looking middle class doctor one wonders !!

but even so to murder with intent there has to be mental illness there anyone with rational thaught just wouldn’t do it

therefore i would not be prepared to kill someone for being mentaly i’ll

no matter how evil they may seem

tornado.

I think you’re slightly missing the point, but that’s probably because I didn’t make myself clear. My Uncle developed pneumonia purely as a result of the fact that he had his ribs broken. The pain from the injuries meant that he couldn’t expand his chest properly or even cough to expectorate any infection. The injuries debilitated him to the extent that he was on bed rest, a complication of which is pneumonia. But all that is by the by now.

kev35

appologies didn’t realise that part

although i agree on the death penalty

most who are supporting it were presumably braught up in the christian faith

one of the ten most important commandments is ” thou shalt not kill “

that is of course unless it is twisted to suit desires

the only thing obtained from a death sentance is another dead human

irrespective of what he did or didn’t do , or how evil or not they were

you have dropped to thier level by killing another

Would any of this make any difference to the man responsible for the death of my Uncle? We’ll never know thanks to the total apathy of the investigating officers. He was eighty two, he would have died soon anyway. Pneumonia was the cause of death. But my Uncle wouldn’t have been suffering from pneumonia had he not been in hospital with ribs broken by his attacker. It was quite discomfitting when I, in my early forties at the time, was told at the hospital by a Police Officer in his mid-twenties, don’t worry son, we’ll get him.

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Depriving them of life is too simple, the deprivation of liberty, of rights and freedoms that they have taken from others should be their punishment, to the end of their days.

Regards,

kev35

the first paragraph is simmilar to what happened in the great train robbery

some argued there should have been stiffer sentences as a man was murdered , although he didn’t die until sometime later

it was always recconed by some the blow to the head braught on later complications

it is a 50/50 thing my gut instinct would be to say it was the cause

but doctors more qualified than myself said it couldn’t be proven

therefore i would commit someone to death by a gut instinct rather than fact

it is tragic about your father but we have to remember that pneumonia is a high killer of the elderly even without injury (it was partly what my friends father died of at christmas )

it s a good possibillity he aquired it through that persons actions but it is also just as likeley he could have got it without

therefore could you seriously hold a murder charge , manslaughter would probably be the realistic charge he’d face

on the second point i couldn’t agree more being an athiest i believe there is nothing afterwards therefore death is the easy option rather than the day in day out drudge

i just know there will be the religious hypocrites that will call for the death penalty even though their religion teaches quite a difrent thing !!

The case I am on about is where a man sexualy assaulted a young girl in 1974, a sample of his DNA was taken, but the methods used to test the DNA were not so good, and he walked.Lack of evidence!!.
His DNA has again recently been subjected to further, more modern DNA testing which proved he did assault the young girl, ergo he has been arrested.
Now, how does that relate to what you were referring to?.

Lincoln .7

the point is the line of proceedure was phorensics , witnesses , police only intrested in following one lead ( because it was the most likeley ), screw ups by both defence and prossecution , a jury finding guilty by 10-2 ( even though he was innocent .)

you tell me that absoluteley 100% that simmilar failings as above cannot happen today and i’ll accept it

but whilst there is even the smallest of chances of taking a wrong persons life the death sentence is the wrong choice !!

DNA is not as secure a thing as most think particularly if someone higher up wanted someone off the scene

dead men don’t talk even if innocent DNA is relativeley easy to plant

even if an object is just left at a scene to commit another innocent party

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1207389/DNA-evidence-fabricated-planted-crime-scenes-scientists-warn.html