tornado64The case I am on about is where a man sexualy assaulted a young girl in 1974, a sample of his DNA was taken, but the methods used to test the DNA were not so good, and he walked.Lack of evidence!!.
His DNA has again recently been subjected to further, more modern DNA testing which proved he did assault the young girl, ergo he has been arrested.
Now, how does that relate to what you were referring to?.Lincoln .7
the point is the line of proceedure was phorensics , witnesses , police only intrested in following one lead ( because it was the most likeley ), screw ups by both defence and prossecution , a jury finding guilty by 10-2 ( even though he was innocent .)
you tell me that absoluteley 100% that simmilar failings as above cannot happen today and i’ll accept it
but whilst there is even the smallest of chances of taking a wrong persons life the death sentence is the wrong choice !!
DNA is not as secure a thing as most think particularly if someone higher up wanted someone off the scene
dead men don’t talk even if innocent DNA is relativeley easy to plant
even if an object is just left at a scene to commit another innocent party
tornado64G.A. I have made my points in the question as posted originaly.
You are entitled to your opinion, the same as I and anyone else. I am not ducking your points, as mine answeres yours,And don’t forget that those convicted are done so by 12 of their Peers, and on the directive of a Judge.
Given the evidence as presentented.I also refer my Honourable Friend to the 1974 case which has just come to light.Lincoln .7 😉
the case above shows that 10-2 found him guilty !! he was innocent , as was timmothy evans except timmothy evans hung so they then had to hang the right man christie !!
tornado64G.A. I have made my points in the question as posted originaly.
You are entitled to your opinion, the same as I and anyone else. I am not ducking your points, as mine answeres yours,And don’t forget that those convicted are done so by 12 of their Peers, and on the directive of a Judge.
Given the evidence as presentented.I also refer my Honourable Friend to the 1974 case which has just come to light.Lincoln .7 😉
the case above shows that 10-2 found him guilty !! he was innocent , as was timmothy evans except timmothy evans hung so they then had to hang the right man christie !!
tornado64As a matter of interest WHY didn,t the “Guy over here” (wherever here is), appeal, and what were the circumstances of his conviction?,
Lincoln.7
it is even more disgusting he did appeal once but it was thrown out !!
read this , then say you would be confident to put a man to death because the authorities say so !!
and the country is great britain ( that small island where you live too !! )
tornado64As a matter of interest WHY didn,t the “Guy over here” (wherever here is), appeal, and what were the circumstances of his conviction?,
Lincoln.7
it is even more disgusting he did appeal once but it was thrown out !!
read this , then say you would be confident to put a man to death because the authorities say so !!
and the country is great britain ( that small island where you live too !! )
tornado64Who stated anything about an appeal?, O..K. just to be fair ONE appeal, then off with their heads, well perhaps nothing as Draconian as that, rather a bad dose of drugs.
Lincoln .7
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but that is where the problem lies
a guy over here didn’t appeal against his sentence for child murder !!
he served practicaly a full life sentence
with the death penalty in place he would have been killed
yet it was not him and it was proven as he was released
they stole the mans outside life but at least he lived for a couple of years after release
but there is the point he was innocent and alive
a pardon is fe*k all use to a dead man !!
tornado64Who stated anything about an appeal?, O..K. just to be fair ONE appeal, then off with their heads, well perhaps nothing as Draconian as that, rather a bad dose of drugs.
Lincoln .7
😉
but that is where the problem lies
a guy over here didn’t appeal against his sentence for child murder !!
he served practicaly a full life sentence
with the death penalty in place he would have been killed
yet it was not him and it was proven as he was released
they stole the mans outside life but at least he lived for a couple of years after release
but there is the point he was innocent and alive
a pardon is fe*k all use to a dead man !!
tornado64I joined the Force in 1966, a hell of a lot has changed since then, but ALL the chaps I ever worked with all agreed the death penalty should be back in, then came along the P.C. Brigade, and the rest as they say is History.
Lincoln .7
many years ago i would have supported the death penalty .
since then i have lived a life , seen miscarriages of justice , heard of mixed up results ( sometimes an accident ) , seen incompetence in government , police and courts , seen and heard of less than scroupelous police ( an ex family member , ex police admitted to fitting up people )
seen people that push people to such a limmit that even the pope would like to strangle them
life is to precious for mistakes
and if someone murders there is a genuine mental illness there wether temporary or long term it is never the less an illness
and therein lies why killers kill whilst the rest of us would walk
tornado64I joined the Force in 1966, a hell of a lot has changed since then, but ALL the chaps I ever worked with all agreed the death penalty should be back in, then came along the P.C. Brigade, and the rest as they say is History.
Lincoln .7
many years ago i would have supported the death penalty .
since then i have lived a life , seen miscarriages of justice , heard of mixed up results ( sometimes an accident ) , seen incompetence in government , police and courts , seen and heard of less than scroupelous police ( an ex family member , ex police admitted to fitting up people )
seen people that push people to such a limmit that even the pope would like to strangle them
life is to precious for mistakes
and if someone murders there is a genuine mental illness there wether temporary or long term it is never the less an illness
and therein lies why killers kill whilst the rest of us would walk
tornado64Just think how much he has cost. Lincoln .7
sorry to burst your bubble but the death penalty is more expensive !!
after all appeals etc and the many years of appeals the expense far outweighs that of life inprisonment !!
tornado64Just think how much he has cost. Lincoln .7
sorry to burst your bubble but the death penalty is more expensive !!
after all appeals etc and the many years of appeals the expense far outweighs that of life inprisonment !!
tornado64Why did he stab her? – The above is not enough to condemn someone to death!
sometimes this is a battlefield i’m probably going to be called sexist but here goes !!
women have used courts and scheeming ways for years
they use kids as bargaining pawns in the game when splitting up
i watch from the sidelines ( never having been stupid enough to commit )
they threaten blokes with not seeing kids etc etc , a lot will dress like tramps and have all manners of blokes arround
then when a bloke snaps as a lot do the woman appears in court in a tweed twin set and pearls saying ” look it couldn’t possibly be me !”
as said there may be a lot more behind the scenes
if the bloke had behaved the same as the woman the woman could walk free claiming mental cruelty !!
tornado64Why did he stab her? – The above is not enough to condemn someone to death!
sometimes this is a battlefield i’m probably going to be called sexist but here goes !!
women have used courts and scheeming ways for years
they use kids as bargaining pawns in the game when splitting up
i watch from the sidelines ( never having been stupid enough to commit )
they threaten blokes with not seeing kids etc etc , a lot will dress like tramps and have all manners of blokes arround
then when a bloke snaps as a lot do the woman appears in court in a tweed twin set and pearls saying ” look it couldn’t possibly be me !”
as said there may be a lot more behind the scenes
if the bloke had behaved the same as the woman the woman could walk free claiming mental cruelty !!
tornado64Let’s simplify it, a man in the street stabs to death a woman, three people witness it and clearly recognise the killer and all give evidence which all ties up.
Death sentance or no?
there is as you say undeniable evidence but this is where it gets fraught with danger
whilst yes there are some evil individuals it does not make it any better that we should have the same attitude to taking thier life
that to me would put you in the same class as them except there is a huge difrence we would be doing it pre meditated wich is worse !
his was probably a fit of pique or an act of mental illness
whereas you would have sat down and calmly plotted an act of revenge
the person he killed will never come back so it is no solution except another dead human
tornado64Let’s simplify it, a man in the street stabs to death a woman, three people witness it and clearly recognise the killer and all give evidence which all ties up.
Death sentance or no?
there is as you say undeniable evidence but this is where it gets fraught with danger
whilst yes there are some evil individuals it does not make it any better that we should have the same attitude to taking thier life
that to me would put you in the same class as them except there is a huge difrence we would be doing it pre meditated wich is worse !
his was probably a fit of pique or an act of mental illness
whereas you would have sat down and calmly plotted an act of revenge
the person he killed will never come back so it is no solution except another dead human
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