Quite true! Now seeing that you appear to be in a minority of one, how about stopping?

Or perhaps you could share with us your views on the ethics of flower pressing? 😉

Regards,

kev35

predictable ..

There’s no lens distortion in the video, at least not enough to dramatically change the perspective.

I have to say, it seems it’s you who only wants to see this from one side. The cyclist could very clearly have easily moved out of the way and yet you have no interest in acknowledging that fact. Why is that?

Lance, let me know when you feel like popping over for a beverage or six. Be good to catch up. 🙂

maybe he could move , but could a blind pedestrian etc that the driver would have probably shown the same contempt to

i would be the first to call the cyclist if he was at fault

the van driver was an **** as it clearly shows

if the cyclist had moved further out id probably accept to some degree

the van driver was a pr*/k full stop

if you think there are hazards in the road you drive accordingly

i have driven trucks in london and yes a percentage of cyclists are a nuiscence

but ” he was a little to far out !” will not cut as a defence if you squash someones head under your tyres !!

if I just wandered up and kicked your bike to get your attention, what would be your reaction?

if i was riding like a t**t i would expect it and deserve it !!

I’ll ask again and hopefully you’ll answer rather than being evasive. Could the cyclist have done anything to prevent this incident from happening?

it is not possible to say 100% maybe maybe not it still does not excuse the van drivers behaviour

we can but tell the traffics manouvers to that it is obvious who is at fault

but when taking cameras into account there is a possibilty of lens distortions
that can and do alter perspective of distace

a wide angle lens gives the impression of greater distances away from things

yet realy close things seem to be in your face

but not only that we also cannot see fully the road surface

so who are we to comment ???

once you ride in the gutter you have run out of evasion space on your left

good job he had left some isn’t it with that moron driving !!

the first thing i was taught about bike riding both on and off road cycle and motorcycle was to always leave a saftey area to go into on the left

you’ll never know when it’ll be needed

that is why other evidence and statements would have been considered too

distance perception distorted through wide angle lens

Tornado, let me ask a question. Was there anything the cyclist could have done to prevent the incident? Please only answer with a simple yes or no.

have you ever cycled in traffic yes or no ?? because i have done both up to large trucks

and can rationaly see both sides

but you only want to see one side

i’m unbiassed as i do both and if i did the manouver the van driver did with a cyclist in the vacinity

i would have considdered myself to be a t**t !!

I don’t usually mind cyclists. Apart from the odd one, the majority are alright and we do tend to get quite a few of them up here in the peaks.

However… what I do take exception to is ANYBODY banging on the side of my vehicle. It’s vandalism. Grab my attention reasonably when I’m about to do something daft, and I might be more sympathetic, but I don’t care that you might want my attention after you’ve taken offence to something. We don’t go slapping cyclists to get their attention if they misbehave do we? Or maybe kick their bike to get their attention?

As for T64’s statement about “cheerfully scraping down the side”.. 😡

Try it.

I’ll cheerfully see how you like a new career, as a crash test dummy.

Also when you’re on the floor with your elbows back to front and the remains of your mountain bike stuffed up your ****, I’ll remove your camera before I drive off too.

i think the scrape down the side was perfectly reasonable seeing as i was doing about 15mph and he cut into me after deliberately overtaking to cut in just before the corner

and no you wouldn’t you’d look exceedingly stupid spitting your jacobs out just after you got out !!

what other options were left but to bang on the side he was shouting loud enough

and in a van in that situation the only way the driver will probably hear is by doing so

i’d certainly prefer that if it was my van rather than putting someone in hospital

but then logic doesn’t come into it when you can’t get past the mindset it’s only a metal box eventualy it will be a metal cube like 95% of them

Had he been somewhere sensible he wouldn’t need to ride defensively, or certainly not as defensively. If he was reading other road users then why was he so in the way and why did he make no attempt to get out of the way? Can’t you see that this entire incident could have been so easily avoided had he just been 4 feet nearer the curb? This is like the first playschool lesson in a logical approach to riding a bike – don’t mess with things that weigh more than you because should it all go wrong they’ll win.

the entire incident could have been avoided if the van driver had obeyed the highway code and been patient and stayed behind the cyclist till his manouver at the junction was completed

but the van driver was a smartarse

and if you also didn’t notice in the video half of his van was on the other side of the road when negotiating the turn

he was a t*sser of the highest order

if a horse , invalid scooter , etc etc was in the same place by your rules it is also ok to treat them with the same contempt because you want past to save at best 2 or 3 seconds of your day

as an insured driver that has passed a test ( presumably ) it is your duty to look out for other road users who may not have

the guy was riding perfectly reasonably positioning himself for possible hazzards

the exact point is if he is aready in the gutter where does he go if he needs to dodge to the left

i was taking a PSV test once and was failed for a lot less than that driver did

on the grounds of not observing other road users correctly

like it or not the van driver was the 100% responsible party it does not matter a jot where the cyclist was

the court fined the van driver and if he’d hit him the insurace company would have to pay up

pretty clear i’d say

and it isn’t about being a millitant cyclist as i have done more driving of vehicles large and small

it is a case of who is wrong and to that degree it is squarely the driver

So way out from the side of the road is a good place for cyclists to be? It’s exactly that kind of attitude that causes these problems in the first place! If the cyclist had been further over to the side then the incident wouldn’t have happened, and it’s almost like he actually wanted something like that to happen and having the camera put him on some kind of point-proving power trip. I’m sorry, but whether the courts agree or not the cyclist is an idiot.

you are of course totaly correct he could have got closer !!

thus allowing the van to tuck in risking a possible crush scenario with railings and van ( had it happen myself because of impatient van drivers )

the cyclist was riding both correctly and defensively reading other road users and the road

maybe after the fines the van driver may follow the same example !!