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  • in reply to: General Discussion #275146
    tornado64
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    but it is all people saying he should stay with the ship in the old fashion manner ..

    in reality what could he have done in that situation that others couldn’t have done

    with no electric for communications there is the secondary method at sea of sending runners it doesn’t take a great angle on deck to make this impractical and fruitless

    a better option as shore was so close could well have been to opperate directions from shore ( but a pompus know all coast guard nowhere near the scene may well have put paid to it !! )

    yep the coast guard may also be a contributing factor !! he was shouting and ordering him about with no knowledge of the situation as it seems he was in a cosy control room many miles away with no direct understanding of events and just going off the ideals of many !!

    lets not forget the herald of free enterprise was firmly with the captains blame , until it was discovered there was no way of knowing the doors were shut on the bridge and it was company policy and crew sloppiness that sank it !!

    in reply to: The Sinking of the Concordia #1860760
    tornado64
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    but it is all people saying he should stay with the ship in the old fashion manner ..

    in reality what could he have done in that situation that others couldn’t have done

    with no electric for communications there is the secondary method at sea of sending runners it doesn’t take a great angle on deck to make this impractical and fruitless

    a better option as shore was so close could well have been to opperate directions from shore ( but a pompus know all coast guard nowhere near the scene may well have put paid to it !! )

    yep the coast guard may also be a contributing factor !! he was shouting and ordering him about with no knowledge of the situation as it seems he was in a cosy control room many miles away with no direct understanding of events and just going off the ideals of many !!

    lets not forget the herald of free enterprise was firmly with the captains blame , until it was discovered there was no way of knowing the doors were shut on the bridge and it was company policy and crew sloppiness that sank it !!

    in reply to: General Discussion #275150
    tornado64
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    apparently the ship wasn’t new to accidents either wich could possibly pose the question of the company cutting corners too !!

    2008 bow damage

    On 22 November 2008, Costa Concordia suffered damage to her bow when high winds over the Sicilian city of Palermo pushed the ship against its dock. There were no injuries and repairs started soon after.[13][14]

    in reply to: The Sinking of the Concordia #1860766
    tornado64
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    apparently the ship wasn’t new to accidents either wich could possibly pose the question of the company cutting corners too !!

    2008 bow damage

    On 22 November 2008, Costa Concordia suffered damage to her bow when high winds over the Sicilian city of Palermo pushed the ship against its dock. There were no injuries and repairs started soon after.[13][14]

    in reply to: General Discussion #275192
    tornado64
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    The whole point is if he had NOT deviated from the prescribed course the vessel would not have hit ANY rocks and this tragedy would not have occurred. There is only one person responsible for that, Captain Schettino.

    tornado suggests that perhaps “he stayed till he was no further use then abandoned ship.” This is arrant nonsense as by his own admission he FELL into a lifeboat. I would imagine that it is not the responsibility of the Captain to runaround and climb” up and down through water fire and sh*t till every last soul was off”I would suggest his role was to co-ordinate what was happening aboard the vessel and maintain communications with the rescue services. If he was able to do that from a lifeboat it is indeed fortunate that he FELL into one.

    Regards,

    kev35

    given that practicaly all communications on a ship that size would probably have to be electronic means just how much communication after the power failure was available to him

    myself personaly i do not know where the ships communications rooms were

    how do we know for sure he hadn’t already passed the abandon ship message

    there are too many variables for us to presume before an enquiry

    to me the he did this he did that is all heresay , even saying he fell in the lifeboat is i feel not the full story

    we realy do need to hear a full hearing

    maybe it was off course but also not something or an area he was unfammiliar with as the company had done it before

    maybe with the same ship and captain

    lets not forget the old saying ” while they’re picking on him they’re leaving me alone !!” and also think of the crew and company around him that may well be hiding behind it !!

    in reply to: The Sinking of the Concordia #1860795
    tornado64
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    The whole point is if he had NOT deviated from the prescribed course the vessel would not have hit ANY rocks and this tragedy would not have occurred. There is only one person responsible for that, Captain Schettino.

    tornado suggests that perhaps “he stayed till he was no further use then abandoned ship.” This is arrant nonsense as by his own admission he FELL into a lifeboat. I would imagine that it is not the responsibility of the Captain to runaround and climb” up and down through water fire and sh*t till every last soul was off”I would suggest his role was to co-ordinate what was happening aboard the vessel and maintain communications with the rescue services. If he was able to do that from a lifeboat it is indeed fortunate that he FELL into one.

    Regards,

    kev35

    given that practicaly all communications on a ship that size would probably have to be electronic means just how much communication after the power failure was available to him

    myself personaly i do not know where the ships communications rooms were

    how do we know for sure he hadn’t already passed the abandon ship message

    there are too many variables for us to presume before an enquiry

    to me the he did this he did that is all heresay , even saying he fell in the lifeboat is i feel not the full story

    we realy do need to hear a full hearing

    maybe it was off course but also not something or an area he was unfammiliar with as the company had done it before

    maybe with the same ship and captain

    lets not forget the old saying ” while they’re picking on him they’re leaving me alone !!” and also think of the crew and company around him that may well be hiding behind it !!

    in reply to: General Discussion #275201
    tornado64
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    the thing is most are very quick to ridicule him , saying the old male bravado thing of a captain must go down with his ship !!

    easy to type

    but i put myself in that position my romantic and chivalrous male bravado side says i’d stick with the ship climb up and down through water fire and sh*t till every last soul was off

    but then i think of the actual reality where i’d probably be just as scared as everyone else and human natures self preservation instinct would take over

    therefore i would get off at the first possibility

    comparisons to the titanic are not helping either the titanic was in the middle of the atlantic at night in freezing conditions with nowhere else to go to some degree it made sense for smith to stay where he was !!

    the concordia was a short swim to shore in nowhere near the same conditions

    in reply to: The Sinking of the Concordia #1860804
    tornado64
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    the thing is most are very quick to ridicule him , saying the old male bravado thing of a captain must go down with his ship !!

    easy to type

    but i put myself in that position my romantic and chivalrous male bravado side says i’d stick with the ship climb up and down through water fire and sh*t till every last soul was off

    but then i think of the actual reality where i’d probably be just as scared as everyone else and human natures self preservation instinct would take over

    therefore i would get off at the first possibility

    comparisons to the titanic are not helping either the titanic was in the middle of the atlantic at night in freezing conditions with nowhere else to go to some degree it made sense for smith to stay where he was !!

    the concordia was a short swim to shore in nowhere near the same conditions

    in reply to: General Discussion #275228
    tornado64
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    be realistic !! what on earth could one man do staying on board a ship on its side ??

    the coast guard transcripts from a coastguard far removed from the scene are far from helpful , i believe the coastguard was 100’s of miles away

    how on earth does the captain get around a ship on its side that is 50% submerged to give useful information ???

    it is also like the old boll*cks of women and children first , i bet that tradition didn’t stand in this case but are we hearing passengers condemed ??

    my guess is he stayed till he was no further use then abandoned ship

    he is better alive and at the enquiry than dead and no further use

    being arrested for manslaughter is standard procedure over there after fatal accidents it tells me little other than the police are following enquiries

    it is all being dropped on one individual with little mention that the company was apparently encourage it to wave at directors etc and to make the companys ships give an impressive display to people on shore at night

    who knows it may have been a company directive that the captain did not like following and may have feared something like this for many years

    after all the company seems to be an exceptionaly quiet party in this !! maybe they are happy for him to take the blame !!

    in reply to: The Sinking of the Concordia #1860849
    tornado64
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    be realistic !! what on earth could one man do staying on board a ship on its side ??

    the coast guard transcripts from a coastguard far removed from the scene are far from helpful , i believe the coastguard was 100’s of miles away

    how on earth does the captain get around a ship on its side that is 50% submerged to give useful information ???

    it is also like the old boll*cks of women and children first , i bet that tradition didn’t stand in this case but are we hearing passengers condemed ??

    my guess is he stayed till he was no further use then abandoned ship

    he is better alive and at the enquiry than dead and no further use

    being arrested for manslaughter is standard procedure over there after fatal accidents it tells me little other than the police are following enquiries

    it is all being dropped on one individual with little mention that the company was apparently encourage it to wave at directors etc and to make the companys ships give an impressive display to people on shore at night

    who knows it may have been a company directive that the captain did not like following and may have feared something like this for many years

    after all the company seems to be an exceptionaly quiet party in this !! maybe they are happy for him to take the blame !!

    in reply to: General Discussion #275686
    tornado64
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    something i have always felt is that most modern cruise ships look ugainly and top heavy

    leaving asside wether the captain is right or wrong

    there are questions being asked that indicate that these ships are being built putting proffits ahead of safety

    my biggest concern is even though severely damaged should it have listed so quickly leaving lifeboats unuseable

    also the mentioned un charted rocks !! that is a distinct possibility !! survey ships are still finding uncharted rock formations dangerous to shipping at low tide off the uk coastline !!

    in reply to: The Sinking of the Concordia #1861172
    tornado64
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    something i have always felt is that most modern cruise ships look ugainly and top heavy

    leaving asside wether the captain is right or wrong

    there are questions being asked that indicate that these ships are being built putting proffits ahead of safety

    my biggest concern is even though severely damaged should it have listed so quickly leaving lifeboats unuseable

    also the mentioned un charted rocks !! that is a distinct possibility !! survey ships are still finding uncharted rock formations dangerous to shipping at low tide off the uk coastline !!

    in reply to: General Discussion #275690
    tornado64
    Participant

    she may well end up like the ferry ” riverdance ” she is a vast ship , on her side and full of water

    salvage would be astronomical

    if savaged it will be a full refit of all ellectricals , soft furnishings , woods probably back to the bare steel walls

    the structural damage will need cutting out and rebuilding

    i’d guess like most in this predicament she will probably be cut up on site !!

    in reply to: The Sinking of the Concordia #1861174
    tornado64
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    she may well end up like the ferry ” riverdance ” she is a vast ship , on her side and full of water

    salvage would be astronomical

    if savaged it will be a full refit of all ellectricals , soft furnishings , woods probably back to the bare steel walls

    the structural damage will need cutting out and rebuilding

    i’d guess like most in this predicament she will probably be cut up on site !!

    in reply to: General Discussion #275874
    tornado64
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    incedentalty english , scottish , welsh or irish if this piece of music doesn’t rip at your heart strings ……..you may well be dead !!!

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