Tornado 64

I am sure that all you say is in your two posts is probably true. But, with all respect, it rather misses the point of my post.

not realy !! if we had learned from history and left well alone or learn now more unnecesary suffering would be avoided

but we are not learning and blundering on with something with no benneficial end

both costing a fortune in the countrys wealth and costing a fortune in young lads/couples/familys lives

wich will have the same outcome for us as the USSR a large scrap pile in afghanistan and a long list of fruitlessly lost young lives and an even longer list of physical and mentaly disabled young people

Which is why ‘Help for Heroes’ is my favoured charity.

Wearing your wrist band says that you remember these very brave people.

Baz

i personaly support the A.B.F. although help for heroes’ would be a secondary choice

there is a new one recently called ” army of angels ” but from what i have heard about them i avoid giving as they employ a lot of non forces personel and pay realy good wages , so i personaly object to giving money to pay non forces a wage before money finds its way to where i intended it to go !!

afghanistan is and always will be unwinnable , the only real solution would be to anialate the whole country with nukes like cutting out a cancer !! ( not going to happen !! ) we learned nothing from our previous **** kicking there or from watching the ussr with much more resources thrown at it than we ever could

those of us with long enough memmories can remmember hind gunships working hard with much armour and men but they dissapeared home broken from the experience

you might as well try to pi*s on a bonfire to put it out !!! ( same effect ) once one area is under control you have to move to the next , whilst your back is turned and you are pis*ing in another area it has broken out at the previous spot again !!

very true !! , but hasn’t that always been the case ?? , what about the injuries sustained during ww1 and 2 , if the deaths were so vast compared to todays conflicts

it is indeed an inconvenient truth but has always been so if they gave the realitys of it recruitment offices would be pretty empty !!

Why the sarcasm.
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bacause like a great deal of the population he is incapable of self rational thaught and would believe it if less than honnest news agencies told him the sky was green and grass was blue !!

again this morning there is more footage with the news agencies broadcasting it in a negative way !!

it involves a female member of the crew instructing passengers to keep calm and return to thier cabins !!

the news sold the negative side

my first thaughts were ” but what if this film was shot at upper deck levels !! the lifeboats are at the lower deck levels if the cabins were on the lifeboat deck level it would make sense for crew to calmly send them to thier cabins to get them nearer the lifeboats without panic

the news decided to instantly condemn without actualy checking all facts i’d guess

and lets not forget shall we ” captain smith also turned too late , but a company CEO was also a contributing factor by insisting he sailed too fast !!”

we don’t know all facts hell the investigators don’t yet , if as it seems he has made grave errors i’d image the lives lost will be punnishment enough for him

but on the same token we should not be led by press and news agencies as they depict to full impact and not always correctly

lets remember the uk newspapers are currently in court being charged with multiple cases of phone hacking ( not only celebrities but murder victims et al …… would you realy trust individuals like that to report the truth ???

Kev, I’m afraid to say this, but all I see here is you being as prejudice and unreasonable as the people I’ve seen you taking to task for on therese forums. Whatever happened to due process?

There is no denying, it was chaos that evening.
However, in chaotic scenes, some things will appear to be what they are not.

So far, all we have to go by is what the media are feeding us and statements from hostile witnesses. In that audio recording between Schettino and the coast guard, he was clearly not being given a chance to explain what was going on. The coast guard clearly judged him from a far and were far from constructive in their communication with him.

He’s admitted making mistakes but stands firm that he did not abandon the ship and its passengers. There are accounts of him staying beside the ship in a boat. Once the ship was dark and listing heavily, what good would have come from his clambering back aboard?

Also, where was the Captain when the initial collision took place? I read reports that had him at the dinner table. Then I read people comdemning him for not being on the bridge.
It’s convenient that people forget Cruise Captain’s regularly eat dinner with the guests. Friday the 13th was no different aboad the Concordia than any other cruise ship in that respect.

Again, I’m not saying the man has no blame to take, but let’s not call him names and prejudge him before the investigation is complete.

agreed !! there is little being said about the woman that has stated she was on the bridge , an ex company employee and stated he and others did everything possible to save as many lives as possible before leaving

there are two sides to every story presently we are being delivered one side !!

Italian maritime law (apparently) states the captain is last off his vessel.

Many ships use handheld radios to communicate between crew members – even they work when the electric is off.

Defend him all you want – he caused the disaster by his poor seamanship.

A ship striking the dock while manouvering in high winds is hardly the same as dredging up half the coastline as you showed off to your mate on shore.

but you my friend are the same as i !! a keyboard warrior !!

that is why there are long lasting legal enquiries to get all sides versions before making a decision

things aren’t always as they seem till they have done so

the best thing to remember is to take everything you hear on tv and read in the papers and wipe yer ars* on it

it isn’t that long ago that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and liverpool fans were urinating on and pickpocketing thier own dead at hillsborough according to the media !!