JonesyYou’ve spent your entire ‘career fixing problems?’. You need more practice; take it from me, success has eluded you.
…but John I’m fixing one right now. Remember you were the one saying that there’d been no major economic issues since the vote?. Then I corrected you to the extent of the actual damage done. £10bn in quantitative easing from the same Mark Carney you lot were decrying in the run up to the vote. That would be £1.5bn more than the net amount we gave to the EU in 2015 by the way. I’m quite happy fixing your problems as it shows your argument up for what it is very clearly.
Stu,
So: “a couple of us would just get together, chuck some idea’s around and get the ruddy thing sorted!”
becomes: “seeing as the company director’s and the designer also okayed our production alterations to said vehicle. The company were also producing armour cars, for the Sultan of Brunei”
…and thats my lack of comprehension….not your moving the goalposts…ok. You do write crudely.
JonesyYou know Jonesy, you remind me of a fellow worker at a local firm that manufactured hand built 36″ stretched Mercedes C Class limo’s, who just like you was always blathering on just why this couldn’t be manufactured or this would never fit without major redesign work, all the time full on Mr Negativity…
Where as instead of continually moaning why things couldn’t be done, a couple of us would just get together, chuck some idea’s around and get the ruddy thing sorted!
There are always problems to solve, we just need to knuckle down and sort it out, if you feel the need to be with the EU, why not ****** off there and leave us in peace…
Best regards
Stu…
So that tale tells us you’re a bodge it and leg it merchant who disregards professional design criteria for the ‘Scrapheap Challenge’ approach?. I dont think that comes as much surprise. You appear to vote with the same considered approach.
I’ve spent my entire career fixing problems….ranging from her majesties guided missiles (very intolerant of the increasingly-sized hammer approach) to various highways and bridging projects to the comms architecture of about 40% of the FTSE 100.
You know what?. I hate fixing problems created by halfwits who haven’t the first clue what they are doing, but, cracked on regardless because they got together with their halfwit mates one day and bodged up a bloody solution!. Leave you in peace…after the mess you’ve caused…that’ll be the day!.
Best Regards
Steve
JonesyOh Stu what have you done…..
Dont you know….???
*** hissed whisper*** thats an “expert” ***hissed whisper***
Your side doesn’t like “experts” and you mustn’t listen to one. In this case though, based on the evidence of the first 4 minutes of the first video you found there, it appears your expert is an economist who has somehow found himself in front of the Foreign Affairs select committee and immediately says he has no real weight of experience to bring to foreign policy matters.
Perhaps he is a UKIP-level expert and therefore tolerable???.
You are going to have to be careful old chap….if you’d actually found a real expert John Green would’ve had to take away your UKIP issue little model Spitfire and Union Jack boxer shorts!.
JonesyThe bottom line here … and I am happy to stand corrected .. is that none of the data released so far affects the operational use of the Scorpenes. The sound data released are baseline numbers – the exact sound characteristics of the first Scorpene Kalvari have not even been measured so far. Knowing the frequencies of the active sonar of the Scorpene seems a small leak … how often does a sub actually go active with its sonar ? The sonar data leaked would be available to anyone looking to buy Thales sonars – The Pak Navy has been using French boats for decades … Ultimately, its how you use the platform that matters … My two penny bit.
If there is valid data on propulsive performance, range, endurance, diving depth tolerances, hull maneuverability across various speed ranges and that sort of thing then an opponent could derive useful tactical and strategic advantage.
Speed, range and endurance values obviously for opposition threat reduction exercises. Performance is also useful to know for programming an attack solution. Ship handling data would be useful in isolating operational areas. If the hull demonstrably handles vaguely just above steerage then you know that high flow shoal waters or pointy shallows are less likely to be favoured hiding spots…that sort of thing. Acoustic profile is perhaps less of a concern as tactical considerations….flow noise, salinity, thermal gradient etc will offset even modest variances in radiated noise.
Not great that this data is out there, but, you at least know what your opponent knows about your boats!
JonesyJohn,
You seem to have a problem with understanding what you are actually stating. You noted that Obama was dismissable as a problem to US/UK trade deals as he was heading out of the door. Your inference there must be that it will improve in his absence. Unless you now would propose that resolving a very favourable trade deal with the US isn’t of critical importance in offsetting lost EU trade?. Keep up.
Also it’s interesting that flat out denial is your security blanket for the rest of these issues. The Europeans saying we will have to sign up to Schengen for EEA membership. The Japanese actually saying no EEA no more Japanese manufacturing in UK. You are going to have to wake up at some point and realise that we don’t have the ability to dictate policy to either soon John or, when we have to agree to sign up to free movement, you’re going to be comically surprised.
The alternative is a trade war across the channel. Why isn’t that a legitimate option for the EU….they’ll be hurt a bit in the short term but it would be far worse for us and wold be something that we simply couldnt win. That’s not defeatism either before you start up with the Spitfires and white cliffs diatribe….its just simple fact!. We could no more win a trade war with the EU than we could with China or the US. So why should they be afraid of that?.
Fix this?. I could do it easily. We don’t enact article 50 and throw Farage into the tower for lying to the nation.
JonesyDid I mention Trump or Clinton ? No, I did not. Paddy O’Bama has to be the least effective President ever. And I can remember back to Roosevelt – Theodore not Franklin !
You know well that global industry places itself where ever and when ever it can obtain the most favourable deal. Offer the best and most attractive tax incentives and Govt. subsidies coupled with an industrious and capable work force free from trade union interference and you get the business.
Jonesy, you must be feeling a little hacked off and peevish because none of your doom mongering looks remotely like coming to fruition. Early days I hear you say. Give us an idea of your time slot ?
So in your mind Obama isn’t going to be replaced by one of either Trump or Clinton?. I have some news for you John. If you think that the problem with US trade is Obama-related its not going to get better left to the tender mercies of either replacement option. Is that explained simply enough for you?.
I know full well that the Japanese just said, in 15 pages, no tariffs or we leave. You dodged the question of who replaces the Japanese in the UK manufacturing sector?. I was letting you off with it as the answer is ‘no one’ but seeing you are pressing the point who replaces the Japenese that we can anticipate trade deals with?.
Wish I could visit the fantasy world that you Brexiters live in John. In the real world we’ve now got austerity for longer, BoE have had to put in further quantitative easing already and were hoping for 0 growth in the near to mid term….where we were leading most of our peers in recovery. This is before the impact of article 50 kicks in as well.
…..still that’s not real in your world is it John…its just scaremongering and if you keep telling yourself it’s not your fault….its not your fault….its not your fault….then maybe you can gloss over it all til someone else fixes your mess for you?.
JonesySomewhat like you, he hasn’t got any policy – none discernible – the man’s a fool. Thankfully he won’t be in the White House much longer.
You’re pinning your hopes on the good offices of Trump or Clinton?. OK John there is desperate and then there is a statement like that!.
As for your link, yet more commercial scaremongering. For those like Jonesy quaking in their boots, as a ‘door closes one, or many more open’ – that’s almost axiomatic !
How many countries in Japan’s commercial situation are there John?. How many countries have global automotive brands that can take up the slack?. When Nissan, Toyota and Honda start stripping machinery out and sending it to new factories on the continent who is going to step in and replace them?.
Rhetorical questions anyway as there are no good answers. Like I said it’s going to be morbidly amusing watching you and your sort slipping further and further into denial.
Jonesy…and so it begins
http://news.sky.com/story/japans-unprecedented-warning-to-uk-over-brexit-10564585
Cue blustering from John Green about how were sovereign now and they can’t do this to us!.
It’s funny there’s a Jim Jefferies sketch where he’s talking to Americans and commenting that it would be great to vote for Trump to ‘just see how crazy **** could get’. I’m getting to that point now with this and where I just want to see the dumb, gormless, stares on the faces of the Brexiters when the reality dawns on them.
Oh and it seems Obama meant what he said about UKs trade agreements being negotiated after the current EU effort is completed. So he wasn’t scaremongering, dictating, backing up his mate Cameron he was describing likely US policy. Imagine that eh?
Jonesy1bat,
I’d go further to say that the act of pushing the UK border back to Dover will actually encourage more immigrants to come through France to try and reach the UK. The question will be whether an intended destination outside of the EU means that migrants in transit through still have to claim asylum in first point of entry though.
If it doesn’t apply they can just send them all straight through and onto boats at the north coast. Who didn’t see this coming?. I’d suggest there were about 17 million people who didn’t really have the penny drop for them!. Ironic that were now needing to rely on the mercies of the French electorate to keep the Jungle in Calais!. Loving this new sovereignty we have now!.
JonesyJang,
Can we assume you’ve lost a girlfriend to an Aussie….or that one has run over your cat or something?.
This:
That said, I feel it was a DCNS presentation for the Aussies for the sub deal, which somehow got leaked from the official guy(s) during the course of “work” or after the “work” was over.
….is perhaps the most flagrant piece of gibberish I’ve read on here for some years.
Why would the DCNS presentation for Shortfin Barracuda to Australia in 2015 be a 2011 document pack on a completely different class of submarine optimised for completely different mission profiles?.
Jonesy…on the topic of ‘things to come’, ignoring this airshow idiocy, did you see the news today that Sarkozy is planning his new Presidential campaign on the basis of ‘France first’ and demanding the Calais jungle be relocated to the UK?.
JonesyConsidering the volume of documentation leaked, is it even likely that a single guy is responsible?
Nic
Seems that this guy was involved in the training preparation for Scorpene service entry. There would be a depth of supporting materiel for that role, covering the full scope of the programme, that would not be expected to be available to staff routinely. It’s the breadth of the systems included in the leaked materiel that makes the given story more credible for me. It does seem plausible at least.
The slightly more concerning issue is that it seems the package was copied 5yrs ago and it’s sat unregarded on a server in Singapore for years with no one any the wiser. Very slack documentation control on DCNS part….real amateur hour!. So much so, where I an owner of a big ticket DCNS product, I’d be calling my support representatives for a little chat directly!.
JonesyAh good to know thanks. Still worrying to say the least. How do you trust a supplier who gets technical information filter?
Not quite as straightforward as that Nic. The Aussie design, the Shortfin Barracuda, is supposedly closely based on the MN’s new Suffren class SNA’s. Any leak of data regarding the Barracuda design arguably has greater ramifications for Paris than Canberra!. The assumption would have to be for a different level of security for a ‘local’ design over a commercial one.
…besides there’s many chunks of aerospace/defence technology that have turned up in, shall we say, the far east that started out in American institutions….there are still plenty of takers for US hardware.
JonesySomeone took good care of that.
Nic
Australia wasnt getting involved in Scorpene anyway Nic….the design conditionally downselected isnt based on that hull and the sensor/weapons details will differ for the Aussie boats. If Australia is upset by anything it’ll only be the question mark over DCNS’ information security.
There’s a few other nations that will take a dim view of this though….
JonesyOverstating things a bit aren’t you?
I wasn’t aware the the exit vote meant a complete embargo of trade with Europe. BMW won’t be pleased by that. 🙂The U.S. wasn’t a member of the EU, but to the best of my knowledge, there was a healthy (and I suppose profitable) trade between the US & UK.
Or perhaps I only imagined there was a new Mini Cooper in my garage for several years.
Not really. Add in tariffs and we’ll see where we end up. Jumping from free trade to a tariff wall is going to be a sorry experience. BMW wont like it…..shame BMW dont set EU policy really. Be nice if we werent being told we’d have to sign up to free movement stipulations to be in the EEA and have no tariffs…..but we have been told just that and more than once.
Mini Cooper sales in Europe 136,000 last year…..in the US 40,000. US consumer base is smaller but, arguably, more affluent. Bit of a premium choice in the US a Mini Cooper isnt it?. Shame if that also becomes the case in the EU. Jag Land Rover’s 2nd biggest export destination is the EU….sure they’re not going to be affected by a tariff wall to a similar degree either.
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