JonesyBrexit seven weeks on: how many of the predictions have come true?
Telegraph. A skewed piece and even that admits the pound is now significantly weaker. It doesnt mention the abandonment of the budget surplus target, the need for additional quantitative easing and doesn’t note that we haven’t even seen the real effects of leaving yet. Other than that thanks for sharing Stu.
JonesySorry, I missed a lot of this.
Meddle – There is no need to descend into abuse. Lets keep the discussion civil please, whether you agree with the points of view or not. As you might see if you read the whole thing, I have called MBS out for posting other peoples opinion, to which he did respond with something that was a little more factual.
I think it is important, Bruce, to reiterate the point that when one posts on an internet forum, such as this, it is the act of publishing your opinion. Absolutely no different to going to a printing press and rattling off a million copies in hardcopy format for distribution. In this country people who publish absurd and unsupportable opinions have been ridiculed and pilloried as befits their foolishness for at least a couple of hundred years.
There is a fine tradition here of idiots being mocked. Why is it, on the internet, if someone publishes a, manifestly, idiotic set of ideas they should be afforded protection from the results of publishing those ideas?.
JonesyStu,
Too often people like you, start yelling ‘Racist’ when ever someone has another point of view to their own, trouble is the word is wearing very thin, its worn out sonny…
If the cap fits wear it. This is what I dont understand in all this. Why are racists so worried about being called racists?.
Your argument is idiotic and baseless. Thats a simple statement of fact Stu and no amount of stylised video clips will give you the weight of evidence to deny it. CD nailed it dead on when he noted that the percentage of westernised muslims in Europe outweighs the percentage of islamised westerners by such a ridiculous degree that it requires little acknowledgement. Creeping Islamisation is a product of media scare mongering to sell its publications to those without the wit to see if for what it is. 50 years ago it was communists…..30 years before that it was the Jews…..today its the Muslims its a very familiar routine to get a certain element of a population all riled up. Congratulations on being the most fervent of the ‘smart/savvy’ sheep being led up the path.
So why is there a problem you just saying ‘yeah I dont like Muslims’?. Its not like you have a better argument anyway?
JonesyAs the saying goes John – ‘if you cant mock the afflicted….who can you mock?!’
You’re not up to answering questions or defending your own comments…..ok no problem. I’ve made my point anyway.
JonesyAhh right so its ‘human natures’ fault that you, specifically, are trying to tar the whole of a religion for the actions of the tiniest minority?.
I am fascinated by your statement that ‘there are undoubtedly millions of peace loving, temperate Muslims’ but at the same time Islam compels its adherents to spread the faith by the sword?. So there are millions of peacefully sword wielding muslims knocking about?.
I’m wondering how you peacefully convert someone with a sword?. Do you ask them to admire your cool and shiny sword?. Do you offer them a sword of their own if they sign up for a few years under the muezzin?. If you think they arent going to be very good muslims do you only offer them a bayonet?. Is it daggers for the kiddies until theyre big enough to own their own sword?.
Wow thats suddenly sounding quite cool….I view religion as an adult need to keep an imaginary friend knocking about and therefore quite dangerously insane….but the sword thing is swaying me a bit!
Anyway….plainly you are talking yourself round in circles here John. At any point you can just petulantly say that you really just dont like muslims if you want?. You haven’t the first vestige of a credible argument so you might as just say you have a personal dislike and you’re scratching around for anything, however tenuous, to justify it. I think its fairly clear to see by this point anyway!
JonesyAll of the atrocities in the countries listed, were committed in the name of Allah. The murdered innocents were extinguished, as they always are in these circumstances, at the behest of an evil and malignant ideology. An ideology that is as warped and perverted as the worst of Nazism.
So the whole religion is the root cause of the evil we see done….but you, acknowledging the millions of muslims who daily go about their lives peacefully contributing to the many european societies they live in, say the following:
I’m not indicting the majority, again, as you well know -…
You don’t really seem to know what you are saying John?.
Jonesy“Its no different than the knuckle dragging halfwits interviewed after the Brexit vote who were kicking off about ‘bloody foreigners’ and when pointed out they were leaving an Indian restaurant retorted ‘well we dont mean them foreigners…”
Source?
As I said….an interview….taken in Blackburn, Bury, Bolton….one of them….on a screen by one of the news agencies. Might be on Youtube…..you’d know better than me.
There’s an old saying in the west country ‘you can’t educate pork’ meaning that the person being referred to is as incapable of understanding your point as is a piece of meat.
In fairness you can see why there would be a genuine need for such an epithet in the west country.
John,
I and maybe a few others on this forum would appreciate an admission from what I describe as the ‘naysayers’, that there is a considerable problem of the type under discussion and any original proposals they have in mind for dealing with it.
Intellectual dishonesty not refuted!. Second time….there is a problem….its not the one you and Stu are going to such contortions to try and make it out to be though. Simply put you cant make the actions of the tiniest fraction of any population into a continent-wide calamity. The more you try and inflame and inflate the actual issue here the more you create the exact problem you are howling about. This is of course your purpose as it fits in with your world view of foreigners generally….sorry John you aren’t fooling anyone.
Same goes for the west country pork as well.
JonesyThe theme of my comments is your apparent refusal and that of your co-conspirators (there now, you’ve got me at it ) to clearly acknowledge that there is a problem and a large one to boot. As much by your own admission as anything, it is clear to me that you need time to digest and understand simple statements and for you I will always take time to clarify. Simple statements should be just that and should lack any opacity; that, is what I need to get through my head !
Are you by chance, either or both a product of a polytechnic and trades union employment ?
I’d only speak for myself John but I’d say you’re full of it. You know quite well I’m not saying there’s no problem. It is your very unsubtle and low brow attempt to take advantage and spin the problem to fit your nasty little agenda that I refute.
I would ask you to stick to one message though John. Either go with your original stance that all Muslims are the problem or accept that the issue is specific and therefore making absurd generalisations when you are actually talking about a seperate group entirely is intellectually dishonest at best.
JonesyAhhh ok so you are condemning muslims….but not condemning muslims. Thats a lot clearer now John thanks for taking the time to clarify.
The problem is that you are NOT selective in your arguments. You do not make it clear that you are ‘only talking about the bad muslims’ not least because thats an absurd standpoint….you’re not railing against muslims you are railing against psychotics who happen to call themselves muslims….you need to get this through your head.
Its no different than the knuckle dragging halfwits interviewed after the Brexit vote who were kicking off about ‘bloody foreigners’ and when pointed out they were leaving an Indian restaurant retorted ‘well we dont mean them foreigners…just the bad ones on the scrounge like’. Its a moronic stance any way you cut it.
JonesyIndividual acts, insignificant as they maybe, if repeated, together form a whole picture and give the observer a pointer as to the likely direction and destination of said acts.
So the individual acts of, across Europe, several million muslims going to work, paying their taxes, doing the normal day-to-day stuff thats not a pointer to anything?. Just the ones that are radicalised….they’re the only ones that we count eh John?.
Good logic.
JonesyAm massively amused. Here we have a man who is offended by exaggeration if the comment
“….and the ” I frequently exaggerate because it súits my argument” school of debate”
….is any indication. Yet, suddenly, the massed ranks of a courts public gallery in the north west is, in his view, indicative of the attitude of the entire muslim population of the UK and the actions of a dozen or so individuals across the continent of Europe defines the prevailing behavioral patterns of all of them over there!.
Exaggeration….nah not for a minute.
Seems he didn’t get Stu’s memo that the justification for anti-Islamic sentiment is antisemitism this week…must be on account of his holiday!.
JonesyLet me just get this right Stu……you are saying that its appropriate to put forward an anti-Islamic message because the Muslims are anti-Semitic?.
You dont see a logical disconnect there at all?.
JonesyNeither of your suppositions is correct.
He would not have liked the loss of sovereignty. To him, giving offshore bureaucrats power over internal affairs would have been unthinkable.
Well…if he had half firm grasp of economics, as you suggest, its hard to imagine him wilfully shutting out a market of 500mn reasonably affluent consumers for his country to enjoy free trade with isnt it?. I’m guessing free trade would have been quite his thing?.
Also, he was against doing things in half measures.The UK did not adopt the €, he probably would have seen that as a sign of mistrust (or a last bastion of nationalism) in the organization. He would have likely said if you’re not going to give something 100%, then don’t do it.
So he was an independent self-made-man type and he wouldn’t see the benefit in taking what you want in a situation and leaving behind what you dont?. Very complex man you are nearly describing here fella.
JonesyWhich A man with those “make your own way” convictions would have voted to exit.
Teddy not much of an economist then?.
…..or did he just not like experts?
JonesyYou jesters have forgotten that we, the British electorate, sovereign in Parliament, are now responsible for our democratic future – good or bad. That simple fact means everything !!
That simple fact means nothing. If we were under Brussels direction, as you seem to want to pretend we were, how were we ever allowed to have a referendum in the first place?.
We’ve just had to have a dose of cash injected into the economy and, today, we’re still able to freely trade with the EU. Lets see what happens when we suddenly have to cross a tariff wall because we’ve exercised our sovereign rights to refuse free movement and been refused EEA membership.
MBS is going to have to stock up on his Roosevelt and Churchill videos in advance!.
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