always nice to know when im wrong, i stand corrected 🙂 even if was a little like being bludgeoned to death with a salmon
when did they revise the shape of the wing on the B.1?
Ben
can’t say i can help that much, but i do love Rc models. welcome to the forum and someone on here will definitely be able to help you
all the best
Ben
‘i suppose aircraft like that arent really as readily available these days’ A bit of that, and I think environmental and H&S thrown in aswel.
Like you say it is horrible to see airframes go, but when I was kid me and my mates would go up and witness the burnings, I hate to say it, we enjoyed it back then beinga very dramatic sight with the flames and black smoke rising from the sodium flares. Saw the Hastings, Shack and many Canberras go. Not all aircraft were burnt of course, some being used for crew evacuation trainers etc.
very sad sight indeed 🙁 what did they use such a soft metal for??? i know they used magnesium alloy in some of these aircraft, but had no idea about sodium, i can imagine that made quite an impressive fire 🙂
your point is obviously the truth, like everyone im a little sad to see them go, and if it was up to me i wouldnt allow any to be scrapped. your comment on real airframes is also a good one, last time i was at shawbury i noticed their odd looking fire training unit. i suppose aircraft like that arent really as readily available these days 🙁
always a pleasure
Ben
XM657, she was the youngest vulcan wasnt she??? surely an airframe that deserved preservation? why were so many of these aircraft simply burnt???
having looked at the backgrounds, i believe yours is the after and mine the before picture of the same aircraft (the little low lying hedge in the background give it away) what a shame 🙁
the main difference i think in the B.1 and B.2 victors is that the B.2 had more powerful engines and better systems IE conways instead of sapphire engines. i think the change in wingspans etc, were down to the conversions made to K.2. (dont quote me on this, im almsot certainly wrong) I believe the K.2 tankers had their wings clipped though not quite as sure. there are significant changes in intakes and bits added on over the life of the victor
this was one of the last B.1’s “XA923” which was GI at cosford intul it was scrapped in the mid 80’s you can clearly see the small intakes
..As opposed to XH715 here at brunty
you can see fairly large differences in the airframes, ram air vents all over the place, underwing fairings, different intake design (this for the more powerful conway engine i presume, more power = more air needed)
again hope this helps
Ben
hi peter that link didnt work for me, is this the image youre on about?

Copyright : Don Gillham 1999/2000
large redesign in the leading edge of the wing the B.1 had a pure delta, which then evolved into the B.1a, which had a slight kink in the leading edge, which in turn lead to the B.2, which had a bigger kink in the leading edge
Diagram showing the difference in wing profiles between marks
(courtesy of http://www.avrovulcan.org)
Vulcan Prototype B.1 “VX770”
Vulcan B.1a
Vulcan B.2 “XH558”
Hope this helps 🙂
Ben
pretty sure they all have 🙁 i would love to see some pictures of various fire dumps though, especially the Victor delivered to catteric and any of brize’s firedump 🙂
The Heinkel 162 is Guy Black’s, acquired as part of for a DH9 Puma engine and the Bristol Fighter G-AANM, which went to Canada. The engine and the 162 came the other way. It’s currently at the Aero Vintage Workshops in Westfield, East Sussex.
does anyone have any pics? of both aircraft 🙂
well thats fair enough, they must have done a damn good job to have managed to get them to donate money, to be honest i have no idea how these things are done so just an opinion really lol *looks sheepish* cheers
Ben
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
im sorry about the amount of posts ive made recently, but this has got to be the mother of all close encounters low level or otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮
whilst i understand all of what you have said, i still cant understand why the HLF is thinking about a formal investigation :confused: when they looked at the project to donate money to her, surely they must have seen the considerable risk involved?
Ben