Alas the short answer to LL’s question is NO.
Also I would say forget the word ‘restoration’, what we are taking about is aircraft engineering in it’s various disciplines, i.e. sheet metal, fitting, engines, avionics etc etc.
I do not want to sound negative here, but the British aircraft industry is dead and gone when it comes to old time metal bashing etc. I was lucky enough to do my apprenticeship back in the 1970s when the ‘industry’ still offered such opportunities. As mentioned by Mackerel a basic 4-5 year process, I know of no such thing in the year 2008.
I can but suggest that you first decide on what particular aspect of aircraft engineering is for you, sheet metal, fitting, engines, (Jack of all trades etc), and try and find an opening some place. As previously mentioned the money is no good, does not impress the girls!
Finally I can but offer up the case of a certain John Romain….started as a volunteer at Duxford…just look at him now. Hold on tight to your dreams as the song goes!
Chumpy.
hang on a sec, im pretty sure the last time i was at DX i heard something about a voulnteer restoration thing, where one could go and learn all of the above mentioned skills (to one degree or another) and as you became proficient at this, you got a card that went into a little booklet folder, seemed to be a fairly central voulnteer thing, though i believe you had to pay something aroun Β£150 for it, i honestly can’t be sure? can anyone shed any light?
very interesting idea for an exhibit, i take it that high torque electric motors would be used instead of the actualy hydraulics, ie lack of maintenance and cost of operation. maybe not an idea for purists, as i would have thought that some fairly substantial mods would have to be carried out to allow this idea to work?
LL i was honestly being sincere π
neither have I… yet….:D
….A use for the vulcan perhaps π π π
hehe, if thats the case, what does is a lot of knowledge? :diablo: Its rather a shame that most of todays generation, are more interested in subjects that will keep them sat at a desk for the rest of their lives. at the moment im studying chemistry at university, recently I realised that i cannot see myself sat in a lab for the rest of my life, so ive decided that im going to change university courses to study aerospace technology. but thats me, unfortunately as you say too few of my generation or people younger, aren’t interested in historic aviation anymore, its hard enough getting them interested in modern aviation! Getting back to topic, I really do think that a course like this, promoted through schools or air cadets would be an amazing idea! also i suppose adults would be allowed too π π :diablo:
Unfortunately in this great country of ours the past is just that. The events of WW2, the people and places are of little interest to the majority. I was the resident telephone engineer at Bentley Priory during the early 1980’s, a fascinating place full of history and artefacts, shame the National Trust didn’t get involved.
anyone know wether they have been involved or contacted as such?
Knowing that there are more than a few Forum members with a penchant for the Connie, here’s a photo of F-BGNJ taken at Nantes this afternoon. Apologies for the “wheels up” appearance – the main runway at Nantes is on higher ground than the terminal area and the apron on the opposite side. I can’t explain the rather lopsided appearance of the tail assembly – maybe it’s down to the missing rudders or the lie of the ground in front of the old hangars.
i would say that she’s either got a flat tyre or a collapsed main oleo? her wings give an impression that shes down on her starboard side. what is she doing just sat outside?
what i think LL was getting at, is not a course that will in two weeks enable anyone to rebuild a spitfire on their own, in their back garden, more of a course that will enable people to get their feet on the bottom rung of restoration work and give them basic experience in the area, or at least that was the impression i was under:)
Nashi0
i would definitely be willing to shell out, for such a course π what a fantastic idea!
i read somewhere that, only The F.6 variants make this noise and that for example the twin tub examples dont make this noise/ can anyone clarify?
Cheers π
…Nashio: yes. why?
Its nice to know that we are talking to someone who is actually on the “front line” as it were, concerning this issue. I hope you get the best possible outcome.
All the best
Nashi0
Richard, if you dont mind me asking, are you Richard De Boer, founder of the aerospace museum? However I have a feeling i may be clutching at straws!
Nashio
It would be nice if they called the three year rent a deposit against the capital amount as a little goodwill.
thats an excellent idea, i hope that this happens π it seems to be a rather nice museum, especially with the F-100
I have read that museums like the NMUSAF and the RAF museum keep their aircraft in pristine condition. Would these aircraft be able to fly again? In the USAF Museum, many of the aircraft were just flown in, then drained of the fluids and put in the museum. I don’t see why any aircraft kept indoors wouldn’t be capable of taking to the air again. Of course, it would cost a lot of money, but I think it would be possible. What are your thoughts? (I’m not only talking about WWII aircraft, how about jets like the SR-71 or TSR.2)
realistically given enough money, and the right base from which to fly i would say that all aircraft in museums could fly again (could being the operative word) SR-71, IF the monumental amount of money to get it flying again, (realistically in the region of hundreds of millions to keep it in the air) the us government would never allow it. personally i would love to see the TSR.2 fly again this will never, realistically happen due to one of the two survivors being basically a gutted hulk (XR222, compare pics of XR222’s undercarriage to that of XR220) XR220 is a unique (in being basically complete) and immensely complex aircraft. again there are virtually no spares for this type so between the two the likelyhood of the SR-71 flying again is more likely that the TSR.2 (which i would prefer) though neither type would be allowed by the caa to operate in this country. going that the TSR.2 is a basically untested prototype, and the SR-71 does more than 2000mph at 100,000ft+ with some immensely powerful and complex engine systems alone (bypass ramjets, and cone shockwave system in the intake:eek: )
So in answer to your question, Theoretically yes it is possible, realistically the likelyhood of flying an aircraft that the us government reitred due to running costs are nil, and, in terms of TSR.2 she wont ever fly again (heard a story about XR219 when she was at shoeburyness, after a few weeks of being stood the bogey on one of the main undercarriage failed, so would probably need a redesign?) unless someone wants to build a new one like the Flug F-190’s
From todays FT:
London Southend airport is being put up for sale by its owners to finance its Β£35m ($69m) development as a sixth airport for London.
Regional Airports (RAL), which owns both Southend and Biggin Hill airports and is being advised by Opus, is developing plans for a railway station to open at the airport in 2009 and for the runway to be extended by 2011. A new terminal would be built in time for the 2012 London Olympics.
The local authorities of Southend and Rochford are promoting the development of the airport as part of the Thames Gateway urban regeneration scheme to develop the region to the east of London.
Several UK regional airports including Leeds-Bradford, Exeter, Bristol and Coventry have been bought by infrastructure and private equity funds.
London Southend once operated as the capitalβs third airport but its use declined with the development of larger aircraft and restrictions on the use of its runway.
Prospects for an early redevelopment have been enhanced by plans to provide a 45-minute direct rail link with Londonβs Liverpool Street station.
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What it dose not say is that the majority of the airport is in side the distric of Rochford and is designated Green belt, Rochford Council are very very protective of green belt land and only on rare times have they given planning aproval to building on green belt, however the land itself is actually owned by Southend Council.
is this good or bad news for XL426? Cant be good by the sound of it
both look annoyingly familiar, but i cant put my finger on either of them. somewhere off the web i downloaded a kmz file that is every Raf base in england wales scotland and ireland, too many to be a sad anorak and scan through them all though haha