I would like to start off with this little baby! (see pics). I have had this column for a number of years initially thinking it was from an F4D because of the grip, (you can only see the grip on most pictures of the Skyray and I put 2 and 2 together unfortunately, in this case making 5, school boy error)!! Its non F4D provenance becoming apparent when I purchased a correct F4D stick – see the P51 grip post.
I have however, seen a picture of this column fitted to a ‘special’ U.S. Navy Silver Star but, alas I can’t find the picture now! (the picture was on the brilliant but now seemingly defunct US Cockpits.com).
If anyone can offer any other ideas, much obliged.
Martyn
GYD
I agree too!
Ian, Here’s my ‘Ford’ grip still attached to the extendable shaft/column – just in case a bit more leverage was needed during hydraulic failure!
The trim switch on your grip is indicative of an earlier application, I also have pictures showing that style on the early F4D’s too. My grip has a part number 21704 painted on the base, this is quite common with U.S. grips and usually wears off quite quickly, hence little info to go on!
Hmmmm… must get up into the loft this weekend!
Cheers,
Martyn
GYD
wasn’t that indecently!!!
Unfortunately no history. The US grips are quite boring really….NAF-1173 on Navy, B6 – B8 covering Peashooter to early F15 – yawn! At least the yokes are more fun to look at!
Yep B6…brain fart.
Never trust these chuffin computers to check words with wiggly red lines under them! I meant Incidentally!!!
However, some of the US grips do have some interesting variations, especially the B8’s if you know what you are looking for?
Martyn
GYD
I have seen modeller drawings with a spade grip….but I CANNOT substantiate any P51s getting into UK service with a spade grip.
The B3 was the classic grip for the P51
Hi Tony,
should that not read the ‘B6’ as the classic grip for the P51??
Indecently, the one you picked up recently, does it have any history?
Regards
Martyn
GYD
Hi Trumper,
There were approximately 115,600 MM’s issued during WW1 and citations were not usually published in the London Gazette, (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/), this however, should be your first point of call but, the notification is usually about six months after the actual action!
You will need the service number, rank and regiment (should be on the medal rim), and use their search tool it can be quite frustrating! The LG listing may give the region but not the actual action. The public records at Kew also have a lot of easily accessible on line data but, again you can spend a lot of time searching through loads and loads of info and have to pay a nominal sum to down load records.
There are a number of very good military researcher’s who can offer varying amounts of research but at a cost. One I regularly use for my own personal research is Jonathan Collins. (http://www.militaryresearch.com or http://www.jcollinsmedals.co.uk). He can try to find extracts from the war diaries, combat reports etc. and send you photocopies of all he finds. The Regimental museum can also provide extra especially if the action was a particular struggle/campaign.
Hope that helps a bit?
Regards,
Martyn – GYD
Hi Trumper,
There were approximately 115,600 MM’s issued during WW1 and citations were not usually published in the London Gazette, (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/), this however, should be your first point of call but, the notification is usually about six months after the actual action!
You will need the service number, rank and regiment (should be on the medal rim), and use their search tool it can be quite frustrating! The LG listing may give the region but not the actual action. The public records at Kew also have a lot of easily accessible on line data but, again you can spend a lot of time searching through loads and loads of info and have to pay a nominal sum to down load records.
There are a number of very good military researcher’s who can offer varying amounts of research but at a cost. One I regularly use for my own personal research is Jonathan Collins. (http://www.militaryresearch.com or http://www.jcollinsmedals.co.uk). He can try to find extracts from the war diaries, combat reports etc. and send you photocopies of all he finds. The Regimental museum can also provide extra especially if the action was a particular struggle/campaign.
Hope that helps a bit?
Regards,
Martyn – GYD
not from vendor then? I am fed up of telling sellers these grips are not Spit/Hurri…hey ho
Hi Tony,
indeed, I’m yet to receive a response from the vendor and looking at their other ‘sale items’ it seems they have a lot of ‘rare’ pieces including a ‘chunk’ sorry, piece of skin from a FW 190 with paint and markings no less!
GYD
What was the gist of the reply?
Just the standard e-bay response e-mail in repeating my question and the blurb about not entering contract/sale outside of e-bay with the vendor.
GYD
The seller must know this is Harvard as it was previuosly listed as such and very recently. Ebay is very hot on pulling miss leading listings if there is copyright infringment. But would they do anything if contacted over an item such as this that I suspect is intended to catch the novice/unwary collector out?
Although I have received a reply from e-bay regarding my question, it does not appear in the ‘any questions’ box at the bottom of the ad, strange?
Hmmmm……….!
GYD
This one sold recently on ebay for £700ish. now back on sale at £1325 as a Spitfire/ Hurricane one!:eek:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360553733613?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
I’ve asked the question, let’s see the reply!
GYD
Hi all,
Indeed early Strikemaster, a picture of its application can be found on this site:
http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft21684.htm
Most other pictures show the grip with the additional button.
Regards
Martyn
GYD
Mk 3B seat chutes
Hi Mike,
Unfortunately can’t help with ‘B’ but, according to my resource (AP127, Vol 1, part 1, sect 5, chap 5), ‘Ejection seat equipment and parachute decent, table Mk 3 seat, for the use of’………….
Parachute should be either a Mk 9 or Mk 19 fitted with a Type Z.F. harness and a Type W psp.
Hope that helps?
Regards,
Martyn
GYD
Absolutely!
I can never find these APs, same for the wheels one.
Certainly looks like a Meteor F.8 grip, but can’t confirm correct AC No.Just thinking out aloud, FAA aircraft used an audible approach system, could this be why ‘mute’ may be found on single seat Naval aircraft?
Rob, I doubt ‘M’ would be for munitions as it’s too general a term, hung stores/weapons type selection was usually via a box elsewhere.
I think AMs attachment pretty well confirms it as ‘mute’.
Hi James and all!
As I mentioned earlier, the purpose of the ‘mute’ button was to cut out all exterior ‘noise’ (read Air Traffic/Ground control etc) between the crew, the right hand button would have been used as suggested for stores release on ‘single seat’ A/C as per the AC10800 picture, you are quite correct this was fitted to the F8 Meatbox, hence RP (Rocket Projectile).
I totally agree with you all on the production of an ‘Observers book of British Aircraft Control Grips’ and will quite gladly offer any (limited) knowledge I have and pictures!
Regards,
Martyn
GYD
Hi Stevew62,
The AC1400 was used in many applications however, the two buttons have C and M which mean ‘Camera’ and ‘Mute’. This would then indicate the grip would be fitted to an aircraft with more than one crew, the mute button would block out all transmission except between the crew members – much to the annoyance of air traffic! The brake lever you have is probably from something like a Hunter or Lightning as the lock is the other way round, quite a ‘bag’ in its own right!
Hope that helps?
Martyn,
GYD
Hi all,
talking of ‘downward arrows’ how about this one on my EB57 yoke:D
Martyn
GYD