It’s also in the USAF’s interest to get a product that works as advertised. If the F-35 sucks, then the USAF is going to be pretty disappointed with LM.
Of course the F-35 sucks, why do you think Boeing scents blood?
(Now you’re gonna tell me you know more than Boeing, right? Just like BS(:D) knows more about international finance & economics than the IMF).
Flex, there’s only one thing worse than the blind leading the blind- that’s the blind leading the stupid-so let them continue in their endless tail-chasing.
Phew…
I managed to restrain my more basic instincts in replying to that post, if that counts… 😀
Hey that’s no fair, I wasn’t told this was a neanderthal point scoring exercise.
I don’t do basic.
Sending 4 Eurofighters to AeroIndia’09 for a “meaningless” display- what were they thinking? Must’ve cost a small fortune too… Goodbye Basics.
Yeah I was kidding, you should know that by now 🙂
Yeah, WE ALL KNOW THAT BY NOW.
Sukhoi managed to produce an incrementally better fighter, on paper, 25 years later.
Well done!
No wonder you have such optimism…
If only you were as situationally aware as DAS (or maybe you are!).
Care to elaborate a bit more about that? are you sure is not an exaggeration?
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As an RCS reduction measure, is it indicative of an AESA? As a mech.scan would defy the objective right?
I wonder if RuNavy ‘K’s will get TopOwl-F?
I also believe that PAK FA will be superior to F 35 in an A2A role and that it will come close to the Raptor in that regard.
This may happen again in future when PAK FA reaches its true potential the Americans may have 6th gen UCAVs. There will be a gap till Russia can match America financially.
The F-22 set the benchmark, and Sukhoi will attempt to emulate it’s capablities. Remember, no expense has been spared: super-computers & the latest CAD/CAM software has been imported and utilised, production plants built anew with the latest composite fab machinery, TsAGI, 2TsNII & NPO Saturn have all upgraded their facilities. In fact you could argue that the project has neccessitated the speedy consolidation of Russian aviation industry (hence UAC).
The PAK-FA programme is not a joke- ask the Indian MoD/AF.
Also, the RuAF requirements are not the same as the Soviet AF of yestery-year. Sukhoi is also working on a ‘broadband stealth’ UCAV (as per RuMoD tender)…so we watch & wait with baited breath.
The JSF Program is very likely to sell well over 2,000 F-35’s. As the US Military could take nearly that many. Let a lone the other JSF Members. That of course doesn’t include many of the other interested Nations like Japan, South Korea, and Israel to name just a few……………..:D:D:D:p
Tell me, is ‘Scooter World’ the moon that orbits ‘Planet Stupid’?
You don’t understand the truth……….:rolleyes:
Who’s going to pay for your 2,000th F-35? The Chinese Government?
As for $200 Milion you are wasting our time. As even the Mighty Raptor doesn’t cost that much and they are building just a couple of hundred of them. The Lightning on the otherhand was designed with economy in mind and will be built in the “thousands”………………Sorry, neither argument holds water at all. TRY AGAIN :rolleyes:
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Prepare to be PAK-FA’d
PAK-FA – Full Speed Ahead
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 2/13/2009 1:14 AM CST AW&STMaxim Pyadushkin writes: It looks like the Indian Air Force will initially get the same PAK FA fifth-generation fighter as their Russian colleagues. Sukhoi general director Mikhail Pogosyan said Thursday that he would seek to unify the Russian and Indian requirements for the new aircraft. “The basic version of the fighter will be common”, he explained. “The difference will be only in software”.
India agreed to join the PAK FA program in 2007. According to the bilateral agreement, the development of the modification for the Indian Air Force will be split 50:50 between Sukhoi and India’s HAL. But now it looks like Pogosyan doesn’t want to waste efforts and time by developing a special Indian version at this stage, but to focus on rolling out the first prototype by August this year, as already promised by top Russian government and military officials.
Pogosyan also mentioned that the airframe is almost ready, while more time is needed to finish the radar. This supports the idea that the first PAK FA will be a very basic prototype, and more time will be required to define and test the production configuration.
As Pogosyan said, the Indian requirements can be taken into account later, while HAL’s 50% share in the development of the IAF modification can be realized in the more distant future – including the creation of two-seat and ship-based variants.
What Russian missile is superior to the AIM-9X or latest AIM-120? or Meteor, or ASRAAM, etc…
Time…Endless Time:
Development
An improved version of the Vympel R-77 active-radar BVR missile (company designation RVV-AE, NATO codename AA-12 ‘Adder’) is under long-term development by Vympel as an (export dedicated?) private venture, even though the present R-77 design has still not been adopted by the Russian Air Force. The new version is designated RVV-AE-PD (PD, Priamotochni Dvigatel = ramjet or Povyshenoy Dalnosti = improved range) and the unofficial designation R-77M-PD has also been used. This new missile will have a solid propellant ramjet motor with a maximum range of 160 km (86 miles). Vympel sources state that ground tests to prove the basic ramjet concept were completed in 1989. Since then the company has been investigating the adoption of different fuels and revised gas generators to improve the basic design. However, a lack of national funding has hampered progress. Some of the technology adopted for the R-77M-PD programme was transferred from a secretive collaboration between Vympel and Matra (now MBDA) to develop advanced ramjet missiles. According to Vympel, this joint project ended in 1994. Some sources suggested that renewed testing of a ramjet motor began in 1995 and that full flight tests of the missile started in 1998.Vympel says that it is still looking at ways of enhancing the production-standard R-77 missile, by adding a ramjet motor to the existing R-77 forward section. This missile would retain the 9B-1348 active radar seeker of the R-77.
Jane’s Air-Launched Weapons, 12/01/09
Well, why purchase new Mig-29K’s. ..:D
I like the RCS reduction measures on the the ‘K’s radome- hell I aint even seen that on the F-35!!!
Well, you seem to be making a lot of speculation on the PAK-FA capablities vs the F-35. With virtually no hard data to back up such wild claims. Further, you have not provide a reasonable explanation on how Russia could made up decades of no experience in 5th Generation Design or how it could do so with very little funding????
YAAAAAAYYY!!!!! scooter goes into orbit around ‘Planet Stupid’ again!!!!
Didn’t a USAF study conclude an F-35 AA kill/loss ratio of 3:1 against 4G fighters!!!!!Ouch!! No wonder scooters’ gone all rabid over his $200M turkey, that’s TWO HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS Scoots, now do the maths over 4G numbers’ games, cause an optimistic 3:1 suddenly looks dire.:)
Well, provide a counter point. If, you have one…………………;)
How’s about any nation that can’t afford a $200m F-35, or the cheaper PAK-FA or F-22?
Wait a minute…isn’t that most of The World (both free & unfree)?
Scooter sets himself up for a nasty surprise in May. Nice.
Yet, who will buy it??? As India is a along shot for the Mig-35 and China doesn’t want it……..with most other likely exports customers going to its cousin the Flanker. Honestly, the odds of the Mig-35 winning any worthwhile contracts are not so good……Regardless of the merits of the design.:(
Scooter, you’re the first person I’ve met who’s an authority on absolutely everything. Congratulations.