when F-15 got 29,000lbs engine, HMS, R-73, R-27 class missile along with 10 wing points? I am not even going into aerodynamics of Flanker. It took F-15 another 10 years to go all those things.

-The F 15 C doesn’t need a 29.000 lb. engine because its 23.000 lb is more than enough (F 15 is 12,5 t vs. Su 27 with 17 t, so the F 15 has a better T/W ratio);
-The F 15 E had 29.000 lb engine from 1992…
-I don’t know why do you bring into discution the R 27? it’s a SARH missile, inferior to the AMRAAM (operatioanl from 1992);
-As for HMS/R 73, it’s true that only from 2003 USAF had something comparable (in fact better);
-About the 10 wing points: the F 15E has 12, with 11,5 tons of weaponry –the Flanker can’t compete; as for F 15C in its AA role — it doesn’t need more than it has;
-The Flanker had indeed superb aerodynamics…

It can easily penetrate enemy’s airspace but it is unable to do anything meaningful there after doing so..

Except for ruining the day for some SA xx crews…which is exactly what was designed for (aside air superiority)

thats why EU has to act under US leadership otherwise future under Russia is very dark. Now all Russians forces are free to invade EU but there is no economic point for them.

I suppose that’s the results of too much vodka before posting…

1, Not as I understand it. I need to find the source again, but, my understanding was that Typhoon was to have an LPI TDL with a local master node capability. I’ll get back to you on that score.

2, I’ve seen no claim made for NCADE that it is capable against a manoevering tactical air target in the terminal phase?. Its intended target is a boost phase TBM – a considerable more complicit target than a fighter at the end of the run?.

1. Check EF own site: http://www.eurofighter.com/et_as_sf_mi.asp

2. But of course 😀 Raytheon is not stupid to anounce that it will introduce a killer for the current AIM 120 …it’s like a car manufacturer would announce that it will introduce a new model, while producing one that really doesn’t have a real competitor. Until the Meteor will became operational, AIM 120 D has no real competitor; in fact the AIM 120 C7 doesn’t either. About the capability of NCADE to engage fighters, remember that the last stage (with liquid fuel) has high-thrust TV. The only thing that the NCADE need is to receive a warhead (present NCADE protoytpes are hit-to-kill); it won’t be a problem: the NCADE is 144 kg, while the AMRAAM is 165 kg.

No it´s not, and by a VEEEERY long shot. 😉
The Saudi Deal covers the construction of a factory in Saudi Arabia, the adaptation of two RSAF Air Bases, the training of almost one thousand Saudi technicians who are going to build the last 48 airframes “in situ”, the leasing of part of RAF station Coningsby for the RSAF Typhoon OCU in a period of five to ten years, the training of an indisclosed number of RSAF pilots and technicians for an indisclosed number of years, the logistical suport to “Depot level” for an indisclosed number of years, etc, etc, etc…

Nope. The whole deal (including all what you listed) , is going to be ~ £ 19 billions…

According to FT: “The Eurofighters will cost the Saudis about $10bn (£5.4bn, €8bn), with an additional £5bn expected for on-board missiles, other parts and initial support” (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/52f2f858-2e18-11db-93ad-0000779e2340.html)

So, (if you trust the very British and generally trusted FT):
– the flyaway price: £75.000.000/€111.000.000/$166.000.000(*) 😮
– including service, parts , training: £145.800.000/€213.000.000/$319.000.000 (*):eek: 😮

That’s make the F 22 (if available for export) quite a good deal…:D

(*) at €1=$1.5, not todays 1.59!

Which is precisely something I was going to add in myself. The ‘first look’ component need not be ownship-restricted. An E-3 or whatever could get an aspect detect, on even an LO type, before the target gets a bead on the Typhoon. With discrete datalink the Typhoon could be in the look-first slot. With Meteor the first-shot criteria is a better-than-evens chance too.

Many permutations exist but the actual mantra itself is undeniable.

1. The EF doesn’t have a “discrete” datalink. It has a simple Link 16 (MIDS-LVT). OTOH the F 35 will have a LPI datalink, just as F 22 has.

2. By the time the Meteor will be operational (~2012) the ARMAAM-NCADE will be too; it could have an even longer range than Meteor, not to mention that being IR guided will arrive at the target unnoticed.