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February 25, 2009 at 7:20 pm in reply to: Turkish Airlines crash at AMS #571017

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It was very close to the airport. BW Roger

Just for completeness sake, the map you present in reply 20 has an error on it. The motorway marked as A9 is actually the A200. The A9 is a bit further south (higher up in your map). The plane crashed between the A9 and the A200 near the road called “Kromme Spieringweg”.

February 25, 2009 at 4:42 pm in reply to: Turkish Airlines crash at AMS #571223

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Just seen an aerial shot of the crash site. Very interesting to note that the tailwing is about 2 plane-lengths behind the plane. Note that a large chunk of the rear section as well as the tail itself are with the plane, but detached from the plane. There did not seem to be a trail in the land behind the plane.

This would imply that the plane indeed hit the ground first with the tail, loosing the tailwing and perhaps part of the rear fuselage. It then bounced up a bit and ended up where it did a few 100 metres further from the tail. After the tailstrike the plane crashed almost vertically (confirming what an eye-witness said with regard to “it fell out of the sky”) without skidding all that much breaking up in three. On crack in front of the wing and one roughly near the rear galley.

February 25, 2009 at 1:37 pm in reply to: Turkish Airlines crash at AMS #571249

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So far 9 confirmed death, and 50 wounded (some in very bad condition), BW Roger

Confirmed, 9 casualties. Apparantly includes 3-man cockpit crew and 5 from the tail section. 50 wounded people, 25 of which severely wounded the remainder minor injuries.

From eye witnesses the plane came in low and slow. The plane tried to pull up to make it over the A9 motorway, but as itdid the tail dropped loosing further speed. Following that the plane seemed to have stalled, and ended up in the grass field betwen the A9 motorway and the A200 motorway.

NOS news is reporting the pilot did not report mayor difficulties? That seems to be odd considering an eye witness reported the plane to be flying extremely low.

NOS new is reporting a planeload of relatives and next-of-kin has already left Turkey. If so that must have been arranged awfully quickly!

Immediately after the crash the airport delcared large emergency (VOS-6) and closed all operations (inbound, outbound and taxiing). A report counted 33 ambulances as well as 3 med-evac helicopters. Airport and regional fire services have been scrambled.

The airport has been re-opened again using the Kaagbaan and Buitenveldertbaan. The Polderbaan is likely to remain closed for another few days pending the removal of the plane. The field the plane crashed in is very muddy and heavy equipment (cranes etc) can not easily be brought in.

February 24, 2009 at 7:20 pm in reply to: Mystery Aicraft spotted by satellite! #571756

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I think it says “If you can read this you are too gulllible…” Did you know there are three “L’s” in gulllible by the way ?

Er………. four

Now who’s being gullible, don’t believe everything your read!

February 23, 2009 at 2:25 pm in reply to: General Discussion #357604

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The stuffed owl?

February 23, 2009 at 2:25 pm in reply to: Most common owl in the UK #1921309

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The stuffed owl?

February 19, 2009 at 6:03 pm in reply to: TRANSFORMERS (the movie) #2450418

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Apparently some footage has been shot in Paris. Man! I would LOVE to see a Transformer- 2CV! :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_fMmPTTTNQ

February 15, 2009 at 11:12 pm in reply to: Continental Express down in Buffalo #574557

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Just speculating here, but is it possible that the autopilot was handling the plane when due to ice accumulation it decided to disconnect? The autopilot will only go so far before it decides the controls are safer in the pilot’s hands then they are flying on autopilot.

This disconnet would lead to an unexpected roll. The yoke would be in neutral position while the flight controls, up to A/P disconnect, would be banking sharply to counter for the ice buildup. The result would be that the flight controls would go back to neutral, thus rolling the plane the second the autopilot disconnect alarm goes off in the cockpit.

If I am not mistaken this has happened in the past with the ATR and A320s?

February 15, 2009 at 8:44 pm in reply to: Size of 18 t GTF? #574578

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After all, if Pratt and Whitney makes official statements about their wildly hypothetical future plans, it may be hypothetical to ask what they mean with it, but not wildly hypothetical.

You ever considered becoming a politician? You are perfecly qualified by using insanely complicated sentences to say next to nothing. :dev2:

February 14, 2009 at 1:14 am in reply to: Interesting UFO in Wichita #2454042

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The fact remains the whole photo is in focus… all except the blurry image.
The clouds are several km away…. the tree obviously close by.

If the camera lens is a fixed one then the object is probably just a few mm’s from the lens or the object was added to the picture.:rolleyes:

Possibilty 3 is that the plane/bird/alien mothership was moving when the trees and clouds are (almost) stationary. Do we know what shuttertime the photog used?

February 12, 2009 at 12:01 pm in reply to: A Defense of AF's Livery #575519

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SO it cost them a lot of money to use their subsidiary’s livery to inspire their own new logo? Do you think the agency staff were sat at LCY thinking “So what could we do for the new AF logo?!?!?!”:rolleyes:

I would expect the Cityjet livery and the Air France livery where made up by the same agency at the same time. It’s just that they introduced the Cityjet livery first, maybe to test the reaction of the public and employees? Not that long ago all Cityjet planes carried full Air France livery. Therefor I think it is rather presumptious to assume that AF is copying Cityjet, instead of Cityjet doing what AF told them to do.

February 10, 2009 at 10:29 pm in reply to: RAN Kondari Trial #2044203

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Im sorry that one of our divers was hurt, but thats for another forums.. what interests me is what are these Kondari trials and what kind of deffenses are we taling about???

Not sure if there is any news in it for you, but here’s a small article about the Kondari trials.

http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/news/5580/

February 10, 2009 at 7:55 pm in reply to: Aviation Statistics #576223

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http://www.caa.co.uk/
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/

February 9, 2009 at 5:19 pm in reply to: Will passenger aircraft get much bigger? #576500

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The two story Airbus A-380 can seat up to a huge 960 passengers (in an all economy configuration) but will aircraft keep getting bigger? Will we see aircraft carrying 1500, 2000+ in years to come? Will designers keep designing more ambitious projects or will they keep this as a maximum on safety passenger grounds?

Unlikely, the airports have been designed with airplanes sized between 80m by 80m. A plane can not be larger then that, without severely restricting the number of airports it can operate from. It is not just the space at the gate. It’s also the width of the taixways and runways, the turns in taxiways, the proximity of (light)poles near taxiways etc.

The An-225 already is larger then 80m x 80m. However, that is a special case as it was not designed with commercial operations in mind.

February 6, 2009 at 6:51 pm in reply to: Newcastle – Dec, Jan and Feb #475222

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First up, a few from December. Any ideas who operates OY-MMM is these days, given that Maersk/Sterling is no longer? Cimber Air have taken on some of Sterling’s assets, though as far as I’m aware aircraft were not included…

Note that the Maersk plane is a biz-jet, not an RJ. Also, the livery is not the Maersk Air livery, but is closer to the livery of Maersk Shipping. I’d say this is a biz jet operating for the shipping division. Perhaps bringing crew to their ship, or just some management types.
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