You mean that this is new? Damn! I saw it at EIN next to the paint shop a few weeks ago in that livery! Had I known this where a new thing I would have spend 10 more minutes at the airport and gotten a shot of it.
I’ve never flown through DTW so I can’t help you there. I’ve never spotted at any of the NY airports, I’ve just flown in and out of all of them. There is a really good website you can visit that has spotting maps and directions for LGA and JFK. I just looked at it and they only have directions if you have a car for JFK, but they have directions with public transport for LGA. No info is posted yet for EWR. It’s http://www.nycaviation.com. Phil Derner is the president. He’s a rather popular photographer on a.net for photos @ JFK. I met him at at Airliners04 when it was in LAX a couple years ago. Really nice guy. If you go on there or contact him at [email]phil@nycaviation.com[/email], I’m sure he’ll give you some useful info. Hope this helps.
Thanks!
What are you doing the other 7 or 8 days in NY?
Rumour has it New York is a rather big city with nice atmosphere and museums. Suppose I have to spend at least a few days there. 😉
Perhaps I might include a day trip to Dulles for the air and space museum. Depends on how expensive and time consuming the flights/trains to Washington are.
Ok Im confirmed for AMS but flight departs and the ungodly hour of 0610!!!
Should make you (just) in time for the inbound Eva Air and China Airlines.
Nice photos.
It was nice showing you and Simon around the airport. The spot where you saw the Great Wall 747 was new for Simon as well. 😉
Splendid work as usual, Peter. 🙂
Isn’t OO-VLL still wearing the white version of the VLM livery?
No not anymore.
Hey, nice pics there as usual! If possible,
Thanks!
could you post one or two up from the Kaagbaan? Thanks.
The first two already where from the Kaagbaan. Here are the other ones from yesterday I got online. Yesterday at the Kaagbaan I have been trying my new converter for the most time. The results are rather bad (putting it mildly) so they will remain a state secret! 😉
These ones where shot without the converter.




Happy Birthday!
Yeah, probably from 9 till whenever i have had enough of it.
Check your PM.
Depleted Uranium is rather harmless. Do yourself the favour and check the internet about reports on DU weapons in Gulf War and Kosovo. UNHCR and other organisations considered the risk as minimal.
A catastrophic plane crash normally kills many people, in the El Al case more than 70 people died. It is a little bit strange to ask for the very low risk of long-term risks from D.U.Your friend that wrote about “… the people still dying” should get an update on his radiation knowledge.
DU is normally harmless, but when ingested it is rather nasty causing (terminal) deceases. Of all DU on board the El Al 747 only a fraction was recovered. The rest must be assumed as burned up. The dust of that might have caused some of the weird illnesses reported in the Bijlmermeer.
Having said that, the exact cargo of the 747 was never revealed. There have been persistent rumours since day one that the 747 carried (components for) chemical weapons. Some of the cargo was traced back to US chemical plants, and the destination of some of the cargo was traced to known Israeli weapon labs.
Officially the plane only carried electrical equipments, flowers and perfume… but noone really buys that story. Except for officials that is.
The planes are sold legitimately to leasing companies and usually well in advance of a bankruptcy. Sell-leaseback constructions are one of the fastest ways for airlines to gain a quick input of cash. That is usually why it is one of the first steps taken when an airline gets into dificulties. So the buyers do get to keep the planes.
When an airline goes bankrupt there are two options.
1) Either the plane continues on its route, and ends at the final destination. Sometimes going back to base afterwards with the passengers booked for the home leg. But often the homeleg can not be done because local creditors seize the plane.
2) The plane goes back to the home base mid-flight.
Which of the two happens depends on a multitude of factors. First and foremost obiously the ability to do so. When a plane does not have sufficient fuel to go back to base, then obviously the flight will continue.
Typically an airline would want to keep its assets on its home base. A plane makes a nice object for creditors to make a claim on. So a plane that gets stuck at a remote airport stands a good risk of local contractors (maintenance, fuelers, ATC, ground handling etc) putting a claim on the plane to force the swift payment of their services rendered.
The luggage will be in the same plane as the passenger. So the passengers will get it back. It may take a bit longer though as bankruptcies tend to disrupt the work for obvious reasons!
Unacompanied minors I would assume would still be taken care of. It might not be with the smile and patience you’d normally expect, but considering the situation staff is in that would be understandable. But the kids won’t be left alone to roam the airport.
Might sound like a silly question to all you regulars but were these pics taken in the uk and if so how come there is a klm 744 taking off :confused:, ignore this I have just seen where you live so answered my own question. That JAL cargo shot is stunning 😮
I know it is not polite but: ROTFLMAO.
p.s. Not seen you here before, welcome on the boards!
Tenthije are we therefore concluding that it is unlikely if not impossible that aircraft could be acquired on the cheap from an airline going bankrupt?
Yes it is highly unlikely.
Take for example the bankruptcy of Swissair or SABENA or Dornier. Their assets where sold of not too long ago, since bankruptcy procedures take time.
There where catalogies available with stuff on offer. A large majority was filled with office equipment ranging from pens to computer to desktop models of planes (complete with desks ;)). The rest was filled with tools, older cars, tugs, cutlery, safety cards etc. Small(ish) stuff.
Nice shots Peter, any chance you will be at AMS on the 4th ?
Probably will go yeah. Nothing better to do and the weather forecast for now are favourable.
Incorrect, because 744F PH-CKA has the old KL/NW seal on it too.
Andy
No it does not. Saw it last sunday and it had full Skyteam logos.
April 17th last year I spotted the plane with the Skyteam logo. However, november 5th half of it had worn of revealing half a KLM/NW logo, so perhaps that is where the confusion comes from.
Yes that would be the case, but……
…… in most cases when an airline files for bankruptcy everything will have been mortgaged already. I can not recall the last time an airline that owned planes went bankrupt. It is highly common for struggling carriers to sell their planes, and lease them back. Same goes for real estate (tripple mortgages), cars (rental/lease) and most other assets that would be worth something.