Flightradar24 is reporting a 787 fire at LHR, no other news as of yet.
From the looks from Twitter, it doesn’t actually look like the aircraft is on one of the runways. But because it’s using the fire service the airport can now no longer take arrivals or departures.
https://twitter.com/apd1988/status/355719615151759360/photo/1
The NTSB released a piece of information yesterday which is potentially a game changer.
At 500 feet the PIC said he was ‘blinded’ by a flash of light. The investigation is not ruling out that this could have been a laser.
The BBC has the findings from the NTSB investigation so far.
Apparently the inspecting captain (who was in the left seat during the landing) noticed the aircraft was too low at about 500 feet, as the aircraft was cleared to land (34 seconds prior to impact). He told the training pilot, the PIC in the right seat, to pull back.
However the captain then noticed the auto throttles were not maintaining the approach speed and at 8 seconds prior to impact manually initiated full power.
Let’s say the glideslope was un-serviceable, I’m sure the pilots would have realised in the clear blue skies “Wow, we’re coming in a little low here” and either selected to descend manually to the runway or executed a missed approach. I find it really hard to believe an experienced crew (or any crew for that matter), would let a fully functional airliner be flown into the ground by a glideslope in clear daytime skies.
I’m sure the solution was a mandatory fix imposed by Boeing and Rolls Royce, but either way even if the problem wasn’t fixed… I have a friend in the San Francisco area who I was speaking to earlier this week, temperatures were 113+ degrees this week. So I doubt it was an icing issue ;). The whole of the US has been in the grips of a major heat wave.
My dad phoned me up and asked me if I’d heard about the crash at SFO yesterday, I hadn’t. I expected a single aisle over-run, or something like that. When I went on the google news site and saw the number 1 story was “777 crash lands at SFO” with the picture of the fuselage on fire, I was shocked. You just don’t expect this sort of accident nowadays and especially not from one of the world’s ‘safest’ aircraft.
BBC Breakfast are reporting that the Asiana Airlines CEO has said he doesn’t believe the aircraft experienced any engine failure. I wouldn’t rule it out, but I doubt he would make such a statement without a credible source. The aircraft (good pictures of the crash site here) appears to have hit the sea wall, barely making it onto solid ground and nearly ending up in the drink. Eye witnesses have said the aircraft came in differently to others, it looked unstable and was much lower than any other aircraft on the approach…. So bearing that in mind, hydraulic failure comes to mind. I guess we’ll see in the fullness of time. I wouldn’t rule it out, but I would be surprised to see human error the primary cause of the crash – clear skies, daytime, light winds, ‘normal’ flight; the pilot would have known he was coming in too low if it was pilot error surely?
Aircraft on Flight Radar http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2013-07-06/18:15/AAR214
I’m no pilot, but I do recall reading something about ETOPS. Perhaps someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t it state that before an aircraft can fly any commercial route between two airports it must be able to fly on one engine between any two airports along the flight plan in the cruise. So if you’re in a 777 and one of the engines is cut half way across the Atlantic, it can still fly all the way to Gander.
EDIT: “There are different levels of ETOPS certification, each allowing aircraft to fly on routes that are a certain amount of flying time away from the nearest suitable airport. For example, if an aircraft is certified for 180 minutes, it is permitted to fly any route, as long as it is always within 180 minutes flying time to the nearest suitable airport. ETOPS operation has no direct correlation to water or distance over water. It refers to single-engine flight times between diversion airfields, regardless as to whether such fields are separated by water or land.”
Source; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS
At last! Just a shame it’s flying on foreign engines 🙁
I have to say looking at the BBC news report this doesn’t look too much like a bird strike. Potentially an uncontained engine failure?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22652718
I just read an interesting rumour on another forum. Apparently the left hand engine was shut down shortly after take off due to a mechanical fault. As the crew were preparing to land, the right hand engine hit a bird and caught fire. If this is true it would explain why the crew perhaps didn’t shut down the flaming engine, as it was the only one still running; a close call to all involved and another exemplary performance from a BA crew at LHR.
You’ve gotta love the Boeing engineer proudly showing off his stainless steel casing for the 787 battery in this video. Excuse me, but does all that extra casing not now cancel out the weight savings the lithium-ion batteries were meant to deliver? D’oh! :stupid:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22319537
I hate both 😀 there’s something about both aircraft that looks out of place (but I can’t put my finger on it), it’s like if you ask a 4 year old to draw an aeroplane… This is what they’d draw.
Forgive me, but I fail to see the rationale behind the project. Why spend £62 million retrofitting a Jetstream when you can get a Grey Eagle for about £5 million?
As the gentleman in the video says, the technology could be used for search and rescue (for example). But you can bet your bottom dollar it won’t be a stripped out Jetstreams doing the flying, it will be a purpose built UAV.
I think Flybe is one of those companies who grew too far and too fast, particularly in the low yielding leisure market. It was great during the boom years, but come recession and suddenly who wants to fly from Southampton to La Rochelle (especially at the prices they charge)?
It doesn’t come as much of a surprise they’re now cutting Gatwick, you can’t justify operating small regional aircraft at an airport where the costs to operate are so high.
I think the Air New Zealand livery is generic and too easily blends in with the airport scene. As I’m not a New Zealander I perhaps wouldn’t understand the teal and koru references, and the subtle narrow Sans Serif font on the fuselage doesn’t scream New Zealand either. BA on the other hand, now that’s unmistakably British 😉
In fact I’d go as far as to say that BA are one of only a very small handful of airlines that capture the essence of their nation in a livery… So when you see it at an airport, even if you’ve never seen the livery before, you can go “oh that’s British”. BA along with Qantas, Air Canada, the new AA livery and Aer Lingus are just a few that achieve it.
The report claims that more passengers could fly into LHR if larger planes were used. But here’s your first problem. Heathrow is a hub airport, meaning (as I’m sure we all here are aware) there are a fair few transit passengers. If we bung them all in larger aircraft you’re ultimately going to use fewer slots in the process. Whilst on the face of it this may seem like a positive, what you must realise is that you’re reducing flight frequency. So any transit passengers are more likely to go for those large hubs around Europe with the smaller transfer times and the wide-range of frequencies using smaller aircraft.
In an ideal world I’d like to see at least 2 new runways at LHR and 1 more at LGW… I mean, put it this way, if your a foreign airline executive and want to enter the European market.
Do you invest in the airport that’s building the new capacity now like FRA, CDG or AMS? Or do you invest in the old airport from the 1970’s with no growth plans on the table? The uncertainty over UK airport capacity is undoubtedly costing us valuable trade links. You only have to look at the breadth of airlines that fly into some of these European hubs and it does make you wonder why they choose them over us? On paper we have a lot more in common with some of these countries than say France or The Netherlands do.