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  • in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2139571
    garryA
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    That the single raw datas that you found in airplane performance sheets have to be put in a contest: while it seems they are uniform in reality they are not, climb speed, max velocity, g-numbers and so on are dependent from speed, quote, even air temperature as the useful and clear graphics you published show

    Iam not quite sure what you are getting at here. Obviously climb rate , acceleration and G-load will depend on speed and altitude. I dont think anyone claim that they are uniform

    Now, all discussion started about someone stating that the plane X having better subsonic accelleration, other contasting it, to contribute I made the point that subsonic accelleration is not such an useful parameter except than in a case of a scramble on alarm i.e. when you have to pass from zero speed and quote to operative ones asap. having a greater subsonic accelleration it means quite nothing in operative terms

    Well no, subsonic acceleration is very useful when you are in a dogfight.Both ITR and going vertical will deplete you of air speed so goodsubsonic acceleration is how you got that back. Good subsonic acceleration is the reason why F-15 can dogfight with Su-27 despite inferior STR and ITR

    in reply to: Maneuvering speed vs. Angle of attack #2139857
    garryA
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    it means, an aircraft like the F-35 despite large AOA angle, but it is less maneuverable and low speed than an F-16. The high-speed aircraft such as the SR-71, MiG-31 are large AOA angle, angle alpha does not affect the g-load factor

    No.
    Higher AoA increase CL, aircraft with higher AoA tend to have higher CLmax. That lead to better ITR. But higher AoA increase Cd so your air speed will be depleted when you use higher AoA to turn. As a result, that not good for STR. F-35 has better ITR, nose pointing and subsonic acceleration than F-16. But F-16 is better in STR, top speed and transonic acceleration.
    High speed aircraft like SR-71 and Mig-31 have low AoA so their ITR is very bad. But their T/W at dogfight speed is bad too so their STR is also bad.

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2140018
    garryA
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    Thank GarryA, I think that such difference show the respective quote in which they can reach greater speed or in alternative show better accelleration.
    In case of the F-104S data I published earlier they made the case of the typical interceptor scramble mission i.e. take off, climb up very fast until they get to the quote they can reach maximum possible speed (or in the alternative the maximum quote) and after acceleration until max speed.
    In this case the subsonic acceleration i.e. the one until 0.8/0.9m is important to reach a.s.a.p. cruise velocity at quote after the take off while generally performance data cards of others show instead transonic (0.8-1.2) and supersonic acceleration only as they are though to other, less time compressed mission patterns.

    F-15C card show it at both low and high quote in both cases the more the velocity, lesser accelleration

    what are you trying to say?

    in reply to: F-35 consumes 5000lb fuel and flew 1450 Km. #2140311
    garryA
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    Let me fix it for you.
    y
    There is a significant difference between ground speed and IAS depending on which altitude.

    So at which altitude did this F-35 flew those 900miles on only 5000Ib fuel?

    Likely around 35-40k feet

    in reply to: F-35 consumes 5000lb fuel and flew 1450 Km. #2140400
    garryA
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    2 hours ten minutes at 270 knots is not going to be a 900 miles jaunt.

    There is a significant difference between ground speed and IAS

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2140616
    garryA
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    I’m denying that it can be an advantage, just asking if is so fundamental thing to brag about.
    Try to explain myself better: for subsonic accelleration I assume the one in horizontal flight at a well determined quote: I have no doubt that a 5 gen plane, with a good T/W ratio and armaments in internal bay can accellerate better than one with external loads at such regimes, still when one says that X plane have better subsonic accelleration than Y one, it automatically imply that in the transonic and supersonic the other is equal or also superior.
    Now, it’s subsonic accelleration operatively more advantageous than the other two? Seems me not.
    I’ve made the example of a QRA because it seems me the only case in which such paramether seem to matter something but even in such case I would prefer to look at climb rate and overall accelleration to max speed instead.
    So, anyone there knew in how much time the F-35 can get to 10.000 mtrs in a scramble?

    Can it match this?
    Climb to 10,700 m (35,000 ft): 1 min 20 sec
    Climb to 17,100 m (56,000 ft): 2 min 40 sec
    Ballistic zoom: > 27,400 m (90,000 ft)

    Acceleration to 12,000 m and Mach 2: 5 min.

    I cant answer your question regrading climb rate because we dont have enough data, but about supersonic acceleration
    F-15C at 40K feet need 80 seconds to go from Mach 0.8 to 1.2
    https://s12.postimg.org/dcdymo9kd/gygkj.jpg
    F-35A at 30K feet need 64 seconds to go from Mach 0.8 to 1.2
    But iam not sure how 10K feet different would really affect their acceleration time

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2140967
    garryA
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    What your graph shows is that a flat surface will have a larger. reflection depending on aspect angle. Coma.

    which is why shaping is important

    in reply to: F-35 News and discussion (2016) take III #2141922
    garryA
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    Subsonic wise, F-35 accelerate better than F-16 and Su-27/35
    Supersonic wise,I dont think any others aircraft accelerate better than F-15, despite its appearance
    http://blog-imgs-57.fc2.com/f/1/4/f14remcat/IMG_5263.jpg

    in reply to: Proof: F-35A can out-accelerate Su-27/35 in subsonic region ? #2141997
    garryA
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    F-15A/C acceleration for anyone interested
    https://s15.postimg.org/rnn4tr5vv/F_15_acceleration.jpghttps://s13.postimg.org/at615f6p3/gygkj.jpghttps://s12.postimg.org/dcdymo9kd/gygkj.jpg

    in reply to: Proof: F-35A can out-accelerate Su-27/35 in subsonic region ? #2142210
    garryA
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    1) I have a report from MIT that also proves F-15 has a CL of 1.6:
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]249926[/ATTACH]
    Russian TsAGI estimates F-15’s CL to be 1.08 and significantly underestimated its turning performance.

    Isn’t it a bit strange that they write CL but under that write coefficient of drag ?????

    garryA
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    The EMD engine has a increase thrust settings through a FADEC system. That was what the whole NASA research was all about. Difference in time, fuel concumption etc

    But engine thrust shouldn’t really affect CLmax though

    garryA
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    Read your own link man..

    It only say EMD as a model of F-100 in the link, i assume you know the exact modification like TVC and what not?

    garryA
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    A NASA F-15 with EMD engines?

    What is EMD engine?

    garryA
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    And I recently got the proof that F-22 has a maximum Cl of at least 1.9-2.0. Surprised?

    Not really , F-22 has so many factors that can lead to high CLmax like LERX , LEF , negative stability and what not , so i think it isnot that big of a surprise .On the other hand F-15 has none , so the fact that it got high CLmax surprise me alot.

    garryA
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    @Msphere, graryA, lolek, mig
    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--nRLcEzpx--/joqmja0vcavbrxmznblj.jpg

    Only Msphere still feeding him

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