The entry in RAF Bomber Command Losses by W R Chorley gives the following information about the loss of your grandfather and crew:
Lancaster III JB280 LQ-K took off 0023 from Gransden Lodge on op to Berlin.
Outbound, shot down by nightfighter (Lt Friedrich Potthast, IV./NJG1) crashing 0210 at Nieuw Schoonebeek (Drenthe) in the commune of Schoonebeek, where all were buried on 5th January in Schoonebeek (Oud Schoonebeek) General Cemetery. F/O Donnelly RCAF (the pilot) gained his DFM, Gazetted 4/8/42, with 57 Sqdn.
Crew (all killed)
F/O T H Donnelly DFM RCAF
Sgt L G R Miller
G/O A J Salaba RCAF
F/S W L J Clark RCAF
Sgt B S J West
Sgt R E Watts
Sgt R Zimmer RCAF
Also may be worth checking this site here http://www.associations.rafinfo.org.uk/ for details of any 405 Squadron Association who may be able to help with photographs.
Good luck with your search.
James,
As far as I know, Canadian Service numbers were always prefixed by either ‘J’ or ‘R’. The ‘J’ prefix was used for Commissioned Officers and the ‘R’ for NCO’s. When an NCO was commissioned he was given a totally new Service Number with a ‘J’ prefix.
With RCAF airmen serving in the RAF it is my understanding that they retained their Canadian service number. Certainly this seems to be the case with bomber crews that I’ve researched where they are RAF Squadrons with a mixed crew of RAF, RCAF, RAAF etc. The Canadians always appear to have the ‘R’ or ‘J’ prefix.
There is someone over on the RAF Commands board who seems to be very clued up on Service Numbers and can indicate the approximate period that an airman joined the RAF based on the Service Number (they were allocated in blocks at specific periods). Perhaps you could try searching the archives there or post the question you’ve asked here over there as well? http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID6&conf=DCConfID1
I think there is also some information re Service Numbers in Christopher Shores
‘Aces High Volume 2’. It’s in a section six pages long and contains basic information. I’m afraid I don’t have a copy of the book so can’t check.
Thanks Papa Lima, you live and learn 🙂
So, if the prop is steel would that help to narrow down which type of a/c it came from?
I showed the photo to a friend who asked the question……
“why is the prop rusty?Props from aircraft are made of alloy or wood not steel.”
I don’t know the answer. Anyone?
Infuriatingly I have seen a picture of that prop before but can’t for the life of me think what the story was! Sorry, not much help. Maybe someone at the Arran Heritage Museum would have some info?
Good luck and please post anything you discover as it’s doing my head in that I can’t remember where I’ve seen it before.
Two weeks on Monday I will be flying to Norway to spend a week visiting memorials, cemeteries and crashsites commemorating RAF airmen lost in WW2 during attacks against Tirpitz. With me will be the 80 year old sister of a W/Op A/G who lost his life and the son of a pilot who also lost his life during these attacks in 1942. I’m sure it will be a memorable week for all concerned.
Two weeks on Monday I will be flying to Norway to spend a week visiting memorials, cemeteries and crashsites commemorating RAF airmen lost in WW2 during attacks against Tirpitz. With me will be the 80 year old sister of a W/Op A/G who lost his life and the son of a pilot who also lost his life during these attacks in 1942. I’m sure it will be a memorable week for all concerned.
For the VC-10 fans here are a couple of pics.
When you have to say ‘NO’ try “I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request” instead :diablo:
When you have to say ‘NO’ try “I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request” instead :diablo:
The following contacts are listed in a wartime weekend booklet I picked up in Pickering last year when I stumbled on a wartime weekend.
Uniforms, Civilian Dress & Equipment
The Aerodrom (Hire)
Garden Cottage
Outgang Road
PICKERING
YO18 7EL
01751 476339
Specialist in wartime RAF Uniforms & accessories
Biba Lives (Purchase)
0207 v482 4994
http://www.bibalives.com
Vintage clothing mainly civilian
Johnsons of Leeds (Purchase)
Unit 2 Vulcan Foundry
Haigh Park Road
Stourton
LEEDS
LS10 1RT
01132 775237
Anything from armbands to armoured cars!
Just Military (Purchase)
701 Abbeydale Road
SHEFFIELD
0114 255536
Memories (Hire & Purchase)
20 Market Place
ALFORD
Lincs
LN13 9EB
01507 462541
Military & Civilian
Wartime Wardrobe (Purchase)
01773 744427
Clothing & Accessories, military & civilian
Hi Cees,
RAF Linton-on-Ouse is still very much in existence and is one of the RAF’s busiest training airfields.
Haven’t heard anything before about substantial aircraft wreckage on the base, but that’s not to say there isn’t any. Have you tried contacting them direct?
I’m a bit peeved as I’ll miss Abingdon by a whisker 🙁 will be driving down to Brize Norton on Wednesday next week and sadly can’t manage to swing it to include the previous weekend as well much as I would like to. I hope all goes well on the day and that everyone has a great day out.
This one might be worth a look
Well, what can I say? It is almost 11pm and I have just got home. I can’t really begin to say what the day has meant to me. Overwhelmed is probably the best word I can use. To be given the Honour of sitting next to Wing Commander Wallis, George Ford and Ted Neale was a humbling experience. Some of us read avidly of the experiences of men like these, some of us have had the privelege to write about them, but these men lived through those experiences and freely gave of their time today to support this launch. I will never be able to thank them enough.
My fellow forumites, how can I thank you? To be in the company of our esteemed veterans and my family for such an occasion was wonderful, to look out and see so many forumites shows the depth of friendship this forum can engender. For your kindnesses, your encouragement and most of all your friendship, I thank you all.
Today, my dream came true.
Regards,
kev35
Kev, well done, well said, well deserved.