I visited the Finnish Air Force Museum in Tikkakoski this summer and saw the Brewster. They have an excellent web page where you can take a virtual tour here http://www.airforcemuseum.fi/flash.asp?file=2
Regards
archieraf
[QUOTE=’568 crew;1480386]:DI’m a keen story writer, unfortunately no one has given me feedback on any of them. So… the next best thing is to attach them to this post and let everyone read them.
There are three stories, none are complete and all have gaps.
Reviews, hints, ideas and tips welcome!!!![/QUOTE]
Firstly, congratulations on getting your ideas down on the page instead of keeping them in your head, and secondly well done for being brave enough to share.
One suggestion I will make is that you might like to consider breaking the text up a bit into paragraphs etc to make it easier for others to read.
I’ll confess that I started on the first two but found it terribly hard reading such large blocks of text – but that may just be me.
Good luck and don’t give up.
archieraf
[QUOTE=’568 crew;1480386]:DI’m a keen story writer, unfortunately no one has given me feedback on any of them. So… the next best thing is to attach them to this post and let everyone read them.
There are three stories, none are complete and all have gaps.
Reviews, hints, ideas and tips welcome!!!![/QUOTE]
Firstly, congratulations on getting your ideas down on the page instead of keeping them in your head, and secondly well done for being brave enough to share.
One suggestion I will make is that you might like to consider breaking the text up a bit into paragraphs etc to make it easier for others to read.
I’ll confess that I started on the first two but found it terribly hard reading such large blocks of text – but that may just be me.
Good luck and don’t give up.
archieraf
Some scenic views on the west coast of Scotland in early June 2009:-
Some scenic views on the west coast of Scotland in early June 2009:-
A relative of one of the other members of that crew was seeking contact with surviving relatives of crew members. I found this post here http://ely.org.uk/115squad/index.htm but it looks like it could be a good few years since it was written.
“I am writing to anyone out there who may be able to help me trace any living relatives in connection with the crew of Lancaster mk11 KO/J LL622 from No. 115 Squadron, RAF Witchford.
They lost their lives on the night of the 30/31 March 1944 on the Nuremberg raid.
Their names were – F/S R.Thomas, Sgt R.F.Taylor, Sgt D.Atkinson, Sgt J.H.Kensett, Sgt F.Hawksworth, Sgt P.Jack, Sgt H.Kendrick.
I am the great-nephew of Sgt F Hawksworth.
E-mail: Mr. Paul Hawksworth at [email]hawksworth@themeadows04.freeserve.co.uk[/email] “
Regards
Linzee
Andy/Tangmere1940 I tried to send you a PM but your box is full. Could you please drop me a mail (address via my profile or via my website) when you have a mo.
Many thanks
Linzee
Hi Kevin,
The link for RAF Commands is http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/index.php I think you need to register to post, any problems let me know and I can make a post for you as I am already registered. Your post should go in the ‘Main Category’ forum rather than the ‘Useful Books & Research Material’. Please note before you post that there is a board policy that states no links or cut and paste from the Lost Bombers site due to copyright issues so best leave out ref to that.
An excellent reference book which will list all the crews and aircraft lost and brief details as known is RAF Bomber Command Losses of the Second World War by W R Chorley. There are 9 volumes and the one you want to look at is Vol 4. It should be available in a decent sized library. There are 26 aircraft losses listed for the same op your Halifax was on but this book only lists Bomber Command losses.
I recently received digital images of the files of two Canadian airman who were lost on ops in October 1944 on an op to Bremen. Only one member of that crew (a Canadian) was ever recovered and his body was washed ashore in Norway two months later. It is worth noting that the files for the Canadian member whose body was never recovered still had some information about the discovery of the Canadian whose body was found which is why I suggest that you persue the files for the Canadian on your Halifax in case there are clues held in his file which will progress your search further.
It might be that an American recovery team discovered the remains of either the aircraft or crew of your Halifax. In which case some research into American records may prove fruitful but first port of call should be the Canadian record as that will hopefull tell you where to look next.
Andy, it’s interesting to note your comments about casualty files being earmarked for public release here in the UK. I have always hit a brick wall in the past and even a complete denial that any MRES reports exist here. I will watch with interest.
Regards
Linzee aka archieraf
PS: I’m also on Pprune as ‘archieraf’ but don’t normally look in the military forum there so hadn’t seen your post.
Icare9, I can’t get the link you posted to work.
Some ideas. Firstly, if the ring of one of the crew was returned to relatives 3 years after the war then it does as you suggest imply that something of the crew must have been found. It is possible that it was discovered during investigations by the Missing Research Enquiry Service (MRES) which was a branch of the RAF set up after the war to search for the airmen overseas who had not returned. Anyone interested in learning more about MRES should read ‘Missing Believed Killed’ by Stuart Hadaway.
Trying to locate MRES files here in the UK is hopeless. The door is closed. Best hope is that there was an Australian or a Canadian on the crew as they have much better access to WWII personnel records which could have some of the MRES documentation relating to the loss/crew in them.
You should get someone to order full copies of the Service Record from the Canadian Archives for the airman Miliken from Canada. They could throw some light on the situation.
Also try posting your request for info over on RAF Commands forum as there are some very good researchers over there and maybe someone has already looked in detail at this loss in the past.
Good luck.
Linzee
Why not find yourself a Halifax crew veteran and treat them to a day out to remember which will be unforgettable for you too? Win, win situation 😀 I can’t recommend it highly enough and you will learn more than you ever would going on your own.
Regards
Linzee
For Operation Paravane in September 1944 10 617 Sqdn Lancaster III with Merlin engines built under licence by the Packard Motor Company in Detroit flew to Russia (the others were Lancaster I and I’m not sure what type of engine they had). In addition, there were a couple of Liberators from 511 Sqdn which carried spares for the Lancs, including a Merlin engine in each. 9 Squadron were also in Russia with Lancasters at that time but I don’t know what type.
Also, I know that there were some PRU Spitfires delivered to Russia at some point.
Sorry not to have an exact answer for you but maybe the above will help someone narrow things down or eliminate some of the above.
Regards
Linzee
Patrick Bishop’s Bomber Boys, which I’m impressed with.
Co-incidentally, I received a letter from former Halifax pilot, 96-year old (RAFVR Sqn Ldr) Ron Waite earlier this week. A bit of googling later, I discovered his autobiograhy Death of Decoration, written in 1991…it’s winging its way towards me as I write (no pun intended).
So good to hear that Ron Waite is still with us. His book Death or Decoration is well worth a read, I have it on my bookshelf. Ron took part in attacks on Tirpitz on consecutive nights in April 1942 while flying with 76 Squadron http://www.archieraf.co.uk/archie/27_28april1942.html . My grandfather was killed on a similar op a month earlier. If you are replying to your letter from Ron please send him my kindest regards.
Patrick Bishops Bomber Boys was one of the Christmas presents I received but I haven’t started reading it yet – I will now provided I can find the time!
Linzee aka archieraf
Try this one for size? 😉
Hello again – it really was incredible what these airmen endured, attack by enemy aircraft with the loss of crewmembers as a result, fire onboard, ditching in the sea, taking to dinghies and having a further member of the crew die while at sea, surviving at sea a few days before being picked up……and so it goes on. Each one of these incidents would have been harrowing enough by itself. It must have been very tense waiting it out for so many weeks on the Lofoten islands in a cave not understanding the language and putting trust in strangers.
I would be interested to learn more about the journey the surviving men made from when they reached mainland Norway, and the route they took to Sweden. I’m afraid that the account I related above more or less stops when they are handed over by the Lofoten fishing crew to the men waiting on the mainland.
In case it wasn’t mentioned in my previous post. Sgt Culnane – the airman who was badly burnt and died of his injuries while they were in the dinghies – is buried at Narvik. The two airmen who died onboard the aircraft as a result of their wounds are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.
To 582-pff who started this thread, are you able to share any of the documentation that you have relating to Pickering now that we’ve all got to know more about this incredible story I’m sure it would be of interest to more than just myself.
If I ever find myself in Narvik I will certainly stand a moment at the grave of Sgt Culnane and pay my respects.
It’s thanks to the tiny clues and small pieces of information that a variety of people contributed to this thread that the story has been able to be pieced together to give a much clearer picture of events back in 1942 and to illuminate the items that 582-pff has relating to one of the crew of Liberator AM924 It is satisfying to know that through our combined efforts we have remembered some of our unsung heroes.
Linzee
With thanks to Morten Moe in Norway I can provide some additional information regarding the amazing escape of the surviving crew of Liberator AM924. Most of the information below comes from an account written in a local history book from Lofoten Islands, some additional details have been added in brackets by Morten to help with locations etc). The article was in Norwegian but Morten read it out in English for me to transcribe but hopefully we have it as correctly as possible. It is lengthy but I didn’t want to chop it down since it is quite an amazing story.
See for yourselves:
Regards
Linzee
The aircraft was shot down over Lofoten Islands on 28th May 1942.
The aircraft was a Liberator with a 7 man crew, serial AM924. It had been on a reconnaissance mission looking for Tirpitz. After take off from Stornoway in Scotland at 0500 hrs the navigator had led the aircraft safe over the North Sea to the Røst (south of Lofoten) where it turned north towards North Cape. The reconnaissance mission was unsuccessful; they could find no sign of Tirpitz. On the way back it was decided to cross over the Lofoten islands to search in the West fjord (a large fjord west of Bodø). Suddenly the British airmen became aware of three German Me109’s and an air battle commenced over Hellsegga by the notorious Moskenesstraumen current on the southern tip of the Lofoten islands. The allied aircraft turned west heading for Shetland while it tried to go steadily lower closer to the surface of the sea to avoid the gunfire from the German fighters. AM924 was hit several times and shrapnel and bullets penetrated the hull. During the first attack, the tail gunner, Brian Smith was killed and John Pickering took his place. He hit one of the German planes but was himself later hit by a bullet in his arm. The third air gunner, Edwin Allgood was also killed during the attack. When the German planes broke off the attack the Liberator continued on its course flying at approx 100m above the sea they discovered that there was a fire in the bomb bay. During the air battle the rudder was damaged too and the aircraft was very difficult to control. Eventually they had to ditch in the sea west of Moskenessøy (the southernmost major island in the Lofoten), and the crew got into the dinghies after having fought their way out of the sinking wreck. At that point, one of the German planes with Unteroffizier Robert Merkl in the cockpit had returned to its base in Bodø because his cockpit windscreen had been sprayed with oil from the allied plane. Merkl claimed that AM924 had been shot down.
(Merkl was killed later in the war, when his Focke Wulf 190 flew into the cliffs above Gautungdalen, north of the Sognefjord Info: http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/geitebotnfjell.html )
Four out of the seven crewmembers on AM924 survived. The fire caused by the German planes had seriously burnt Sgt Culnane who died from these injuries 24 hours later. His body was left in one of the dinghies the airmen had used after removing all identificating items from him. The naked and badly burned body was later found drifting in the dinghy in West fjord.
Out of the four survivors, Ray Walten, Terry Corkran, Booker & Pickering, Pickering had suffered wounds from the German bullets but he was not seriously injured. The airmen were desperately paddling trying to get to mainland Norway. After two days at sea they were discovered by a fishing vessel and they were taken in tow to a place called Tuv (on the eastern shore of the Lofoten-tip) by Einar & Inge Ingebrigtsen from Reine who had been fishing in the Moskenesstraumen current. Only two people were living at Tuv at that time, Johan Larsen and his wife Laura. They took care of the airmen but after a week there were rumours that the Germans had started an investigation after discovering the naked body of Sgt Culnane in the dinghy, and suspecting that there was a connection between the air battle a week before. A German patrol boat which was stationed nearby started to patrol much more frequently in the area. Johan and Laura naturally enough were worried for the safety of the airmen and it was decided to take them over the mountains to a place called Refsvika – a bay on the outer side of Lofoten. Here the airmen borrowed a boat and after having been helped to plan their escape route by Torolf Refsvik (who knew a little English) which would lead through VesterÃ¥len and Ofoten and then over to Sweden, they started rowing in a NE direction along the western shore of the Lofoten islands. The airmen, unfamiliar with the local conditions soon became exhausted and as they approached Gimsøya in VÃ¥gan they simply had to go ashore on a skerry on the northern side of the island and exhausted and cold they pulled the boat ashore and after tipping it upside down they went to sleep underneath it.
Luck was still with the airmen. A boat from Refsvik was on it’s way home from Finnmark and one of the men onboard – Oskar Refsvik – recognised his own boat upside down on the skerry! He went ashore to investigate and thus the boat and the airmen were taken back to Refsvik once again! At that stage, brothers Sigurd and Leif Hamran came into the story. They had observed the air battle over Hellsegga and now they were told about the airmen by the man who had found them on the skerry Gimsøya. The Hamran brothers decided that it would be far too risky for the airmen to attempt to escape in a rowing boat, and they decided to help them. They had relatives in Beiarn (on the mainland south of Bodø) and they knew several people from Beiarn who were fishing from some of the small villages on Lofoten. The brothers believed that the best solution would be to get the airmen over to Beiarn and from there over to Sweden. In addition the brothers knew people in Beiarn who assisted people in reaching Sweden and since they too often used to go to Beiarn on fish trading business they could go there without causing suspicion. Between Mosskenessøya and Beiarn is the West Fjord and to get to Beiarn they would have to pass not far from Bodø airfield. The first thing the Hamran brothers did was to find a safer place to hide the airmen. A place where it was easy to get to them with supplies without causing suspicion. The place they found was a scree area, Tindsura, a bit west of Ã…. In Tindesura there is a cave which is invisible from the sea, here the airmen were installed with food supplies and warm clothes after the Hamran had collected them from Refsvik in their vessel MK Hans. Now for the airmen it was only a matter of being patient while the snow in the mountains thawed and the brothers organised their escape. Leif and Siguard visited the airmen every third day bringing the airmen supplies, neither Leif or Siguard could speak English and it was a tough time for the airmen as they were not able to communicate and they were unsure about what lay in store for them. The brothers had problems getting enough supplies and they contacted the teacher in the area, Miss Lie. She helped them to get supplies for the airmen and also helped with the communication. The local nurse, Sister Mary, was also involved as she had to take care of Sgt Pickerings wounded arm. After about one month staying in the cave the time had come for the airmen to continue on their dangerous escape route. Sigurd and Leif came with their boat with 1500 kilos of frozen fish onboard. The fish was to be their excuse for the trip as they were to exchange it for firewood. It was a nice summers day and the airmen were placed in the cargo hold and the vessel set course over West fjord for Beiarn. Everything went smoothly until they approached Helligvær – a small group of islands west of Bodø – they set course between the skerries to get as much distance between themselves and Bodø as possible. When they were half way through the skerries they were approached by a German plane and a guard boat who signalled to them several times. The brothers went full speed with the boat and at once the guard boat turned away and left them. Afterwards they were informed that the stretch of water they had gone through was mined and they realised that was what the Germans had been trying to inform them. They arrived safely with the airmen at Tverrvika in Beiarn (near the head of the Bejarnfjord). Sigurd rowed ashore in the dinghy to find help. While he was away, Leif and the airmen got the shock of their lives. Wilhelm Tverrvik had discovered that there was a Moskenes boat in the bay and eager to have a chat with people from the same area as himself he rowed out to the vessel! When the airmen heard someone walking on the deck they dived down into the cargo in an attempt to hide themselves. They did not succeed. Wilhelm was very suspicious when Lief tried to explain that it was only some youngsters who were shy of meeting new people. Wilhelm suspected that it was not the truth but he did not say anything.
With the assistance of Sigmund Berntsen, Hans RengÃ¥gord, Trygve BlÃ¥moli, William Øverness and interpreter Martin Larsa – and after a hearty farewell with the Moskenes brothers – the airmen eventually got over the Swedish border to safety.
The rumours had flourished during the time the airmen were in Mosskenes, illustrated by the fact that the local policeman, Laurits Hansen, later was arrested for not having informed the Germans about the rumours.
Source: Lofotboka – a yearbook for the local Lofoten historical society. With additional details of locations by Morten Moe.