Hi Ian,
It would be interesting to know where your info has come from regarding this aircraft being shot down in 1943. I’ve been leafing through a couple of books and Googled around, and as far as I can tell the Hendon example is thought to be the genuine R9125.
She entered service with 225sqn in September 1940, and was later sent as a Target Tug to the Central Gunnery School. She was then converted to Special Duties configuration and posted to 161sqn in 1944. That would mean that she couldn’t possibly have been shot down in ’43.
BB, her service with 161 is not recorded, so it’s not known what missions she may have undertaken. I don’t think it can be said with certainty that she only flew with SOE in a ‘training role’, though.
I’m pretty sure that JDK will be able to shed further light on this, it’s rumoured that he knows one or two things about Lysanders. 😉
Any idea how long ago, David?
If I can jump in with some info, the last news I had was back in 2004. At that time PP972’s various sections were in different parts of the country having rectification work done. I’ve no idea how far things have progressed since then.
There were quite a few problems with her first restoration, particularly with the wings which I think required a complete rebuild.
Thanks for the info on PR503, here’s hoping she’s on course for airworthiness in the not too distant future.
The Great Escape aircraft was a Bucker Bestmann, not a Storch. I don’t know which particular example it was though.
Is the Mighty Vanguard at Brooklands still kept in ground running condition?
Good shout, Joe. Yep, the Brooklands Vanguard/Merchantman is still occasionally ground run, although she’s not taxied now that she’s been moved off the old airfield site and into the museum’s grounds. She’s the last complete Vanguard, so would I be right in saying she’s unique in being a ground running only-survivor? As far as I’m aware there are other examples of all the other types that are kept in ground running order.
Scanning through the above posts, we seem to have forgotten a Lightning. Is the Lightning Assoc’s example (XR724) at Binbrook still in ‘live’ condition?
There’s also a couple more Lancs to add, both in Canada. FM159 has had one engine run already, and work continues toward bringing her up to taxiiable status. There’s also some hope that FM212 might be brought back to life in a similar fashion one day.
The ex-Sandtoft Gannet is now at the Yorkshire Air Museum, and according to reports in Flypaper etc when the museum acquired her there’s a chance she could be brought back to ground running status.
There’s also Bristol Britannia XM496 at Kemble, kept in ground running condition by the Britannia Aircraft Preservation Trust.
Unless they were extremely advanced designs that could fly fast/ high, it’s hard to imagine a single bomber surviving for very long in US air space. Perhaps the first raid would be successful thanks to the element of surprise, but then you’d have a build-up of fighter defences etc, and that would be that. You’d have to send large numbers of bombers to ensure that some got through, and it’s hard to imagine how a large enough force of bombers could’ve been re-fuelled in flight. You’d need a big fleet of tankers, and these too would be vulnerable.
It’s thought (but not proven) that the Luftwaffe did actually send an aircraft into what could be called ‘US airspace’ during WWII. One of the two prototype Ju390’s was flown from Mont-de-Marsan to a point (alledgedly) just off the coast of New York in the autumn of 1943, although it certainly didn’t make any kind of attack and it seems unlikely that it would have been able to carry a bombload over that distance and return.
Thanks for the link, very interesting to hear his views. There’s another video clip taken from the same interview, in which Johnson talks about his involvement in the real raid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXbfEVoO7c&feature=related
Edited to add: The maker of the above clips has a number of other interesting clips on his profile page, including interviews with several Apollo astronauts and Great Escape vateran Jimmy James.
I have to agree, a B26 would be my choice. Failing that, a P38.
There’s a certain Walrus fanatic from down-under on this forum, who I expect will be able to shed some light on the matter…;)
Amazing footage, thanks for the link. Great to see colour footage of the B2 Valiant and Supermarine Type 525, really great stuff. Was this footage ever released or is it some kind of off-cut??
Awful news, my thoughts to the family and friends of those lost.
I’m sorry to be pedantic at such a time, but the date on the NTSB document is October 27th rather than November.
Great news, thanks Hilli.
Does anyone know if there are any plans to move her to Yeovilton? Shortly before her last flight it was rumored that she would be placed in long-term storage at Yeovilton if prospects of her flying in the near future faded.
As XM692 has suggested, it was only the glider-towing heavies that had D-Day stripes applied. Allied strategic bombers were exempt from being painted with the stripes, whether they were day or night bombers.
Sorry mate, I think you might have me confused with someone else. I’ve nothing to do with Shuttleworth or thier Po-2, so I’m not really the guy to ask. I last saw it in bits in the Old Warden workshops a year or so ago.
Hi BR,
Which Po-2?? :confused: