I have to agree with RobAnt,I didn’t see anything resembling a Derry in the last moments of the Firefly’s flight. It seemed to me that the pilot was trying to pull the aircraft through a half loop, from which I would guess he intended to roll off level at the top and thus find himself heading back towards the airfield. The rolls and oscillations which the aircraft performed occurred after the stall and departure from controlled flight.I think any notion that the pilot was attempting a Derry manouvre ought to be knocked on the head.
I don’t really like to get involved in the speculation surrounding this acident,but I witnessed the accident first hand and I feel it’s important to get things right and prevent misinformation from spreading.
“….and there was me expecting to see a Mustang, oh well.”
😀 :p
Mustangs are pretty (particularly the P51B’s and C’s fitting with Malcolm hoods),but not THAT pretty…
…and here’s a picture to prove my point…:)
The Hunter is N611JR,formerly a Danish AF F.51 E-418. She was well know over here at one time when she was operated as G-HUNT.She hasn’t flown since the early 90’s and she’s currently up for sale (for around $50k!!). There are some details about her on Damien B’s Thunder and Lightnings site below…
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/hunter/survivorspics11.html#WB188
For me,the Hunter is the most beautiful of the classic jets, but to my mind the most beautiful aircraft in all the world has to be the Spitfire.Make mine a Mk.9 with full span wings and a rounded rudder,a la MH434. 😎
IMHO,warbirds should have a ‘used’ look about them.By this I do NOT mean that the paintwork should be attacked with wet & dry paper, screwdrivers etc,I just mean that wear and tear that occurs naturally shouldn’t be ‘corected’,the wear and tear itself IS correct!
Someone mentioned the weathering on the Pearl Harbor Spits looking nice,but if you ask me it was overdone,and to some extent in Memphis Belle and BofB aswell.Wear and tear should be allowed to happen and stay put,but faking it often looks a bit daft.
With regard to the comment about D-Day stripes,I’d love to see PL965 with matt D-Day stripes painted on her underside,perhaps using a none-too-durable type of paint so as the stripes are allowed to wear and fade,just as the real ones did.
Just my tuppence worth…
As Von Perthes post stated,I think it ended up being used as an airfield decoy.The government department responsible for the creation of decoy airfields,army depots etc was given the cover name ‘Sound City Films’,and a number of pre-war civvy machines were passed on to this spurious film company for use as decoys.
Hi Galdri,
It sounds very much like the Museo Dell’Aviazione at Cerbaiola, near Rimini. There was an article about the museum in Flypast quite a few years ago now,which included a complete listing of what’s on display. Unfortunately,being as it was so long ago I can’t garauntee that I’ll still have the issue it was in,but I can have a look if you’d like.
Among the exhibits is Gloster Javelin FAW.9 XH768,formerly a gate guard at an RAF station in Germany.From the pics I’ve seen it appears that most of the machines on display are more than somewhat the worse for wear,the poor old Jav included.
On a somewhat distasteful note,the museum also has on display a large amount of wreckage from the MB339’s which collided in mid-air at Ramstein back in 1988 (the Ramstein Disaster as it’s become known). 🙁
The amount of effort that is going into this beautiful machine never ceases to amaze me,particularly in a country whose civil aviation authority aren’t that great about historic aviation (or so I’ve heard.)
As Der says she looks fantastic,thanks for the update and a huge pat on the back to those involved.
“ML417’s a beauty – wish we still had her over here “
If the promotional artwork for this year’s Legends is anything to go by,it looks as though Mr. Freidkin will be sending her home for the show.Now he has the Mk.14,perhaps ‘417’s stay will be longer than just a fleeting visit for Legends weekend?
I’m under the impression that the area of the hangar in which the Victor is to be restored will become the same area it is eventually displayed in once the restoration is complete. This would mean that nothing would have to be moved in the existing display space to make room for it..
As for the Shack,I’ve heard recently that there’s been some to’ing and fro’ing regarding the decision on it’s future,so it’s possible she won’t have her wings hacked off afterall. This would be very good news indeed,if it proved to be true!
Although the Victor isn’t included in the published floor plan,it WILL apparently be included.I’ve heard that it will go over to the conservation area of the new hangar for some long term restoration work,and will then be found space in the new building.
I certainly hope that’s the case.
Happy Birthday Kev!I’m sitting here drinking a pint of the excellent Hogsback OTT dark ale,so I’ll raise a glass to you and wish you many happy returns.
Message to all: While I was typing this,Kev came online and sent a message via MSN messenger asking me to thank everyone for thier good wishes on his behalf and to let everybody know that he’s off to France for a few days to celebrate. Bon voyage mate! 🙂
Those air-airs of the Seafire are absolutely stunning,and the other shots are great too! She’s an absolute beauty,huge congratulations and many,many thanks to all involved!
I remember when it was first braodcast on BBC Radio it was done in snippets of real time,which was a nice touch.As others have said,it’s a very good production,and well worth getting hold of a copy.
You have to remember how densely populated the UK is,South Africa is a much larger country and the Thunder City guys work in close co-operation with the military,using restricted airspace for some of thier flying.If a Lightning comes down in SA,it’s far more likely to come down in an open area.The CAA have to legislate in a utalitarian manner,with the public’s safety as the top priority. Bear in mind that the Lightning did have a poor safety record during it’s early career,and there were still a number of accidents in the later years of service.