There was a very good series of Philip Jarrett articles in Aeroplane during the Wright Centenary year (2003) about other claims to being the first to fly (Gustav Whitehead, Richard Pearse etc etc). In summary, the conclusion was that there is no firm proof of any other powered and controlled flight before the Wrights. PJ seems to have studied the subject exhaustively and scientifically so his is an opinion I tend to trust on the subject.
Even IF someone else did fly earlier, they certainly didn’t have the same body of scientific knowledge and rigour as the Wrights and so on the grounds of doing their homework the Wrights win hands-down.
Looks very much like a Sperrin to me, the “stacked” upper and lower engines are pretty unique (Ashton engines were under-slung) and everything else fits with Sperrin (mid-wing, slab-sided fuselage etc, Ashton was low-wing, circular fuselage).
Great picture! It reminds me of another pic of a hanger at Eastleigh the night before one of the mass Spit flypasts over Southampton back in the 90’s, crammed with Spits, Hurri’s and even the TFC P38!
I don’t think there was ever a version of Tornado known as F.1, the main RAF versions were GR.1 (IDS version) , F.2 and the F.3 (both ADV versions) and finally the GR.4 (upgraded GR.1).
Looking on places like Platinum and Courtesy, it’s amazing what’s available at the moment – Lysander, Swordfish, Grumman Guardian, several Spits, Seafire, I-16 Rata, Buchons and even an airworthy B26 Marauder project (although in it’s very early stages), and then there’s the Greg Herrick collection. That Avro Avian deserves a good home…
Looking at the way the interior shots were filmed I’m thinking there must have been at least two nose/cockpit sections used for the filming, or at least one rig that could be broken down into sections? For filming the crew face-on they would surely have had to have a section with nose and windscreen removed, then there were the side and forward facing shots that included the windscreens and instrument panels etc and there were the nose shots from the BA’s position which would have been difficult to shoot with the cockpit in place.
Many thanks once again Ken, as I suspected it really is an interesting and sometimes complex subject. I think any student of UK/US relations of the period would be fascinated by this stuff, it clearly demonstrates how desperate the UK was for support and involvement in the war effort from US and how keen they were to keep US from getting involved with “the bad guys”.
Many thanks Ken, that’s just the kind of detail I was looking for. The Assignment Agreement in effect consigned French orders over to UK, rather than UK “grabbing” what wasn’t going to reach France?
Ken,
You answer part of my question regards bothering to take-over non-UK spec stuff, it makes sense and ties in with what I was already thinking. The other part of my question though is a step or two further back in the process, for instance how did those Mohawks get to be in a box at Colerne in the first place? When we read the books and articles about Wildcats, Marylands etc the diversion to UK seems to get a brief mention as though that outcome was to be expected or was somehow a simple process. What was to stop the US from demanding aircraft back that were in process of delivery, and how did UK Gov/BPC go about getting first dibs on orders that were still being processed??
Graham,
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but what I meant by the French being “unable to take delivery” was the possibility that they might change minds based on financial or political reasons etc, rather than France actually collapsing.
It appears that it will be MJ271, a Mk.IX that is currently under restoration. It is better known as the static example that was restored in Dutch colours a few years ago and spent some time static at Duxford before the restoration began. G-INFO lists the owner as Boultbee.
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/spitregistry/spitfire-mj271.html
It sounds like an exciting project, best wishes to all involved.
Many thanks for your reply Ken, it certainly throws some light on the subject. Does this mean there were clauses in the AFPC agreement that meant French orders would automatically be diverted if the French couldn’t take delivery?
Great stuff! Congratulations to all involved, she looks and sounds amazing.
Thanks for the reply Andy, certainly sounds like a very sensible mod when you consider the transit distances between N American show venues. Has this mod been done with any other restored Spits?
Great video Paul, thanks for sharing.
Very informative clip Dave, very watchable and understandable. Interesting to hear about the extra internal fuel tanks, does this mean she basically has a Photo-Recce type wing with dummy cannon?
I can’t give a publication date, but I do remember the pics being published. It was apparently some sort of ground-running, maintenance training rig and never flew as a twin.
I think the single-fin, ground-bound radio trials airframe was PN323 at Radlett, which is the now well-known cockpit section with IWM.