This is not going to end well, you are daring to challenge the official Washington party line, which in this case goes “evil Putin and Russia did it, trust us!!!111!!!111!1”- party line that is of course loudly and vociferously impregnated into the very magazines Key Publishing is controlling (look it up if you don’t believe me, there are many “wonderful” pieces of russophobia, sinophobia and other “phobias” you would expect in there- turning one’s stomach type), and that my friends is inviting a ban, according to the Moderators here…

Probably same as the allegations that it might have been the good old US who shot down the other malaysian flight, because of it being “hijacked by terrorists and heading towards Diego Garcia”, they say. And those who claim such certainly have a point, in this day and age when every INCH of this planet is spied upon from above, how in the bloody hell a whole airliner completely vanishes, and after months of searching not one trace of it is found!? Impossible… or there’s something else going on.

But hey, everybody knows the US Mini Peace is only telling the truth and only the truth… you are an “enemy” if you dare to think otherwise, you insignificant prole. 😡

Holy **** it’s real. Why should i be surprised though, this is the new China. Can’t wait for the “monster” rumoured from SAC (or CAC- or both?!), FC-31, new carriers, news DDGs and a myriad of other cutting edge systems, and of course this bird entering initial service (2016 rumoured as of now)!

So these 5 KRs (33 to 37) and 1 KUBR (52) are doing pre-delivery check flights? Nice to see things moving at MiG too. :p

I didn’t say that Berkut as you can clearly see from my wording (despite being clearly anti-US and on the russian/novorussian side in this geopolitical conflict). I think i said it clearly when this whole tragedy happened (and the ensuing political war started) that the “morally best” and most likely scenario is that MH17 was shot down by mistake. However in light of the reputation and past history of the actors involved, and the visceral propaganda we are bombarded with every day, imo it IS wise to be open to all possibilities, including intentional actions to provoke this tragedy. Don’t you think that is indicated?

It is of course hard to let personal feelings and convictions out of one’s judgments in such situations, but like i said before, it may be be that the russian/pro-russian side does not accurately present the whole truth, but sure as hell neither is the US axis one! The question is, what is the REAL truth of what happened to MH17?

Interesting how no one from the pro-US crowd mentioned the video posted by Crow11 on the previous page. I think that’s the first tangible proof that we see with our own eyes to support one or the other side’s claims. So presumably, the 30mm round shatters after impact hence the shrapnel effect when it exits?

Crow11, you absolutely took the words out of my mouth, this is exactly what i was thinking to post regarding the “source” of this supposed satellite image depicting MH17. Indeed it’s a very likely scenario that the reporters from that TV got fooled, most of reporters of any creed are usually terrible in aviation matters anyway. They probably thought they hit the jackpot with a sensational story when this “source” got in touch with them. The very mention of “US MIT” should have made them think twice, but they foolishly didn’t. Also i never believe in coincidences on the political scene, this image and the sharply increased russophobe and warmongering rhetoric of the US axis and their ukrainian fascist…ummm, sorry, “democratic” puppets is coinciding with this G20 meeting.

Also, let’s not forget it could also be an INSIDE job, as there is for all intents and purposes an active fifth column (acting through NGOs and other outlets- guess who sponsors those NGOs) working against the russian state from within, perhaps someone from that TV allowed this to go on air INTENTIONALLY. Of course, the russophobe crowd here and everywhere think Putin himself controls and approves every single word and every single fart that ever gets said and done on russian TV, of course they are mental. They probably spill tears of joy and jump up and down screaming “commie russian propaganda fail, Russia & Putin so weak, Amerika so strong, oh so so strong!!11!!!1” But then you can’t ask much from a brainwashed group of citizens of Oceania (i don’t even know if to pity or loath them)… 😡

Whatever happened to MH17, and whatever happened and happens in Ukraine, it happened in only one way only, it was one single flow of events that can never be altered, the question is are we ever going to find out and/or be told what really happened and who is at fault? Because one thing is absolutely certain, it maybe be that the non-US aligned claims of the chain of events might not represent the absolute truth, but sure as hell neither is the US and it’s axis claims!

I see, thanks. Me i could swear i see wings on that thing (top, folded). Why would one put wings on a dispenser? Maybe not a JASSM class, but bet it’s at least a JSOW class weapon.
PS: looks like it’s this, it definitely has wings, i saw the name “Cloud Arrow-6” somewhere else but not sure, i think it says something else on the mock-up.

PPS: Oh, maybe it’s THIS one then, TL-500?

PPPS: Or is it THIS one ?!