Check this out , just a simple google search …
J-10 versus F-22 raptor
EXTREMELY very funny video :D:D:D
Craziest thing i ever saw aviation wise! :p
No photo of Yemeni Fulcrums shows them loaded in any way.
As for Algerian SMTs, I don’t have any information about whether ECM pods were supposed to be included.
Thanks. We have to keep waiting i guess 🙂 ( i’ve waited actually years before i saw pictures of the yemeni and algerian SMTs :D)
Well i would guess a potential SMT buyer would acquire these pods aswell , since the SMT doesnt appear to have ( in any version i saw at least) an internal jammer…
Yes.
SAP-518 is replacement for L-005S Sorbtsiya-S.
SAP-14 for never deployed L-001 Smalta-S.Both products from KNIRTI.
CNIRTI offers the Omul pods for the same market, and previously the Gardeniya-F1UE pods (used on first Su-27SK)
Sadly there is not a wide radar interceptor market for aircraft on Russia, so CKBA Avtomatika still is the only R&D institution developing or at least offering RWR/ESM systems for Su and MiG aircraft.
So…that meens the Gardenya system was fielded on both internal installation and podded instalation …
Looks like the Chinese Su-27SK had indeed the Gardeniya system(i thought at first that it was an error, i thought the SKs has the Sorbtsiya , BUT i’ve found a thread about the SKs ECM manual somewhere , gotta look for it again), and then the Su-30MKK had the Sorbtsiya…
I’ve looked at some pictures , but cant seem to notice any visual difference tho ( betwen SK and MKK ECM pods)
Oh here’s that topic about the Gardenyia manual…
I agree, I’ve never seen chaff/flare dispensers on this aircraft. If someone could point them out, I’d appreciate it.
Also, does the MiG-31 carry a jammer? Does it even need defensive aids like that? Would they ever be tasked with long range escort missions?
Looks like its the same situation as whit the IRCMs…The M definetly had an ECM system , there were at least two configurations , the first one suggest its most likely the L-203 Gardenya system ( wingtip antennas), same as on the contemporary Mig-29 9.13…
Second configuration is shown in Paralay’s drawings , ie wingtip pods , which most likely are the L-005S Sorbtsya pods as on the Su-27…
It would make sense for the newer multirole versions F/FE/BM to have at least ECM pods given their extended roles…
Photo of Gardenya Mig-31M…
Brilliant! Thanks for the help everyone, another little puzzle solved! So that meens that most likely the UV-3A was tested for , or on the Mig-31M…and maby the APP-50 was the initial IRCM system considered for the aircraft…
( As a sidenote , how could i have missed that ???:eek:)
Can is available in view of here this container?
About system of counteraction onboard MiG-31B or BM I hear for the first time. :confused:
Well i found this on your site Paralay ( very interesting site BTW), posted by Pavel …it clearly says there the Mig-31 has an APP-50 dispenser…i’m confused too…:confused:
http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?style=12&f=5&t=595&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
that’s not true. FTC-2000 is the export version of JJ-9, which is now in serial production for PLAAF. It’s L-15 that is no where near ready for PLAAF. Until it gets its engine situation sorted out (and who knows how long that will take), JJ-9 is it.
the engine could be swapped from WP-13F to WP-14 to improve TW ratio. Although, I’m not sure if they will actually do that.
The Kunlun has 75KN, maby a bit more in the latest version,but that still will be a T/W of less than 1 at normal TO weight…anyway the point of this is that wiki claims absolutely fantesist data for this aircraft, peoples gotta know the truth … :p
Wiki got it wrong , they say the loaded weight is about 7.8 t, the engine has 66.7 KN , thats not a T/W ratio of 1.3… none of those performance figures seems real anyway…
MSP-418K jammers were exported to Yemen.. No other customers known yet..
Thank you Flex…dont think there are any photos of yemeni SMTs with ECM pods yet, is it ?:)
As for customers , maby the algerians were suposed to buy them aswell…but since they scrapped the deal…
Mack8, your links don’t work (for me at least).
Hmmm…i dont know what to suggest, for me it works in both IE and mozilla and when i click on it it opens in WMP automathically…( i actually also have the clips saved on my computer , but cant upload them here …)
Here are the links to the respective pages, scroll at the bottom and click on the links there , maby it will work that way …
http://www.cnirti.ru/catalog-10-18.htm
http://www.cnirti.ru/catalog-10-3011.htm
BTW i cant actually see any understandable writing there , except the company logo, i just blindly navigated to find these…my comp displays perfectly in russian on other sites and forums , but not on CNIRTI website ..beats me …:confused:
Well, it may well be ,aparently the Mig-31M like in your picture did mounted ECM systems on the wingtips ,SPS-201 Gardenya or SPS-171 Sorbtsya( gotta check on that again, it was tested with both), and its possible they might have housed some CHFL dispensers there too …but the M never went into production…
I dont know maby the russians think Mig-31 is not needed to have passive countermeasures considering the way they are suposed to be used , bomber and cruise misile carriers( and aparently cruise misiles themselves) interceptors …they are not suposed to meet other fighters ,or enemy ground fire, hence no need for dispensers , unlike offcourse the tactical aircraft , Mig-29, Su-27 , Su-25 and previously , Su-17M3/4, Mig-27 , Mig-23MLD etc.
Its funny for instance they DID exported Mig-25s with said CHFL systems mounted to arab states, and they had prototypes for a domestic version , but never carried on production…i guess if they REALLY wanted to put them on Mig-25s and 31 , they would have done starting 25 years ago …
Maby the export Mig-31E was suposed to have CHFL systems( just like the export Mig-25PD before it) , and thats what the UV-3A was for ?:confused:
Thanks for the info Paralay! Looking forward for pics of them in service.:)
Ok , another question with your permision…where is exactly the chaff and flares dispenser on the Mig-31? Aparently its called UV-3A…( tho some sources say its APP-50)
Here’s an interesting link from JSC website…
http://eng.ktrv.ru/about_eng/275/416/434/?PHPSESSID=5c144625488b00ad7c9edc9db58e158e
Here you cant find some CHFL systems they are marketing , funny tho no mention of UV-3A…
“Content edited for unclass media” ? What are they censoring there ?:confused:
Some sort of active IRCM?
Oh yeah thats one of the question i’ve burned my brains with for a long time!
After alot of reading and trying to figure out, i think at least concerning the export Mig-25 interceptors, there are TWO versions…
First is the Export Mig-25P delivered in the 1979-80 timeframe, whit Smerch radar , and able to fire only R-40s…definetly Lybia had them as ilustrated by airliners .com! Funny thing is , they are called Mig-25PDs there! Also Algeria had them too , theres a vid on youtube to prove it…
Second export version is lets call it Export Mig-25PD , which Lybia and Iraq certainly have …in the case of Iraq, i’m not sure if they are really upgraded MiG-25P as some sources say , or new machines altogether…tho i havent seen yet a Mig-25P in iraqi colours…Now these machines as i can make out , they have SPO-15LE RWR and KDS-155 flare dispensers, and there are mentions of SPS-162 Geran ECM…plus off course the IRST.
This is what tespilot.ru, and other sources have to say…
In 1982, one of the MiG-25PDS (reg. #7011) was fitted with ECM equipment to provide individual and collective protection from enemy radar- and IR-homing air-to-air and air-to ground missiles. The equipment comprised the Beryoza-LE radar warning receiver (RWR), Geranium ECM system and KDS-155 flare dispenser. The flight testing was completed in 1983. Later, another aircraft was converted for the same purpose. It was designated MiG-25PDSL (reg. #94). It was equipped with the Beryoza-LM RWR, Gardenia-1FU active ECM system mounted in the external pod, as well as chaff and flare dispenser. Its flight testing commenced in 1985.
Given that they mention Beryoza-LE RWR, which is from what i know the EXPORT designation for the domestic SPO-15L , it makes sense that this MUST be the export PD…I dont know however , if this version still mounts the Smerch-A2 radar quoted by most sources , or do they have actually a N-005″E” radar … remember this radar is based on the N-003 from Mig-23ML wich WAS exported at that time …besides , the russians had the Mig-31 in the pipeline by then ( respecting their policy of haveing something better at home than the stuff they export) , so it would make sense to have the N-005 radar aswell , but i havent read any confirmation or even hint of that …
( funny thing is acig website call these machines-Lybian Mig-25s whit new RWR antennae on intakes and CHFL on wings plus IRST under nose- export Mig-25P,and on the picture caption they say its august 1981! Off course thats nonsese. The oldest confirmed lybian Mig-25 PD pic on the net is dated 1985, which makes perfect sense… )
Does anyone has more info about this entangled subject of export Mig-25 interceptor versions?
Thank you 🙂