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  • in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2615563
    Lava
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    Italian/American/UK Project
    (Bell Agusta)BA-609
    http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRTypen/Fotos/bell/BA609FF.JPG
    http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20021223/images/aw2700.jpg

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2615582
    Lava
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    All these jet fighter designs suffer from the same inherent problem……

    In conventional flight they have to lug around the dead weight of the lift-engines (or in the case of the F-35, the lift-fan).

    AFAIK, the Harrier is the only design that makes do with a single lift and cruise engine – and therein lies its simplicity – and its success.

    Although the thrust from the Pegasus (at what? now about 23,000lb??) is way in excess of what is needed for conventional flight.

    I remember seeing a simple diagram explaining that it needed the equivalent of 15 horses to achieve vertical flight, but only one horse for forward flight, so it too, in a sense, lugs around the excess 14 horses in ‘normal’ flight !!

    (or maybe it was ‘horse-power’ ?? No matter – you get the drift).

    Ken

    Yeah Kinda agree but VJ101 though didnt had that “dead weight” issue still
    saw being scrapped. Do u think is VJ101 kind of swivelling Engine lift technique can see any revival !?

    Also then why did USAF chose F-35 rather than F-32 coz th elatter is single engine lift+cruise engine !?

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2615585
    Lava
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    gKozak thanks a lot for sharing this picture with us ! 🙂
    This design is so similar to needle shaped F-104 starfighter(Just my opinion !)
    Germany had many good designs but unfortunately none of the VTOL aircrafts designed
    could enter service! I personally liked the AVS design but…….

    http://www.vstol.org/GermanVSTOLFighters.pdf contains good information on Germany’s VSTOL /VTOL experiments

    These two aircrfats were the only one to ever reach prototoype testing phase

    • EWR VJ 101C
    • VAK191
    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2616378
    Lava
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    Plz plz Plz Arthur can u post that picture !!!? :p

    Ok little offbeat I was just scrapping the net for pictures for this thread
    and I found this
    http://frank.harvard.edu/~howard/election2000/curious.gif😀

    in reply to: MC-130 writeoff in Iraq – WTF, how stupid can one get #2616383
    Lava
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    Hmmm… so chaos has spread in the Iraqi airspace too!!???

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2616459
    Lava
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    The KAI-VTOL experimental plane built by KAI students
    http://www.internetelite.ru/aircrafts/kai-vtol-jean502.jpg

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2616463
    Lava
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    Aha … Nice to get some More info on Soviet STOL experiments
    http://www.vectorsite.net/avredvt.html

    * The origins of Soviet jet VTOL remain obscure in the West. It is known
    that in the mid-1950s the Soviets developed their first jet VTOL platform, a
    test rig comparable to the British Rolls Royce “Flying Bedstead” rig and
    apparently known as the “Turbolet”.

    Like the British Flying Bedstead, the Turbolet was a four-legged frame with a
    turbojet mounted vertically in the center — in the Soviet case, a Tumansky
    RD-9BL engine, a modification of the standard engine for the MiG-19 fighter,
    with 24.53 kN (2,500 kgp / 5,510 lbf) thrust — and four reaction thrusters
    or “puffers” on arms around the frame. Unlike the British machine, the
    Turbolet actually had an enclosed cockpit, which looked like the operator’s
    cab of a crane. Other than the fact that the Turbolet performed its first
    flight in 1956 with Yuri Garnayev at the controls, not much data is available
    about this vehicle or its development and test program.

    However, this work clearly had some relationship to Soviet interest in
    “liftjets”, which were small jet engines intended to be mounted vertically in
    aircraft to provide straight-up thrust. The Kolesov engine OKB (design
    bureau) developed a liftjet designated the “RD-36”, which provided 23.05 kN
    (2,350 kgp / 5,181 lbf) thrust. In 1967, the Soviets publicly displayed
    variants of the MiG-21, MiG-23, and Su-15 fighters with various combinations
    of Kolesov liftjets in the forward fuselage to provide short takeoff or
    landing (STOL) performance, but never went beyond prototype tests.

    These STOL fighters will be discussed in documents describing their aircraft
    families. In a matter more relevant to this document, the Soviets also
    demonstrated a true jet VTOL aircraft in 1967, designated the “Yak-36”.

    During the 1960s, the British Hawker Siddeley company (later part of British
    Aerospace) developed a VTOL demonstrator named the Kestrel, which would lead
    to a production successor, the famous Harrier VTOL fighter. The Bristol
    company (bought out by Rolls Royce during the decade) developed a VTOL engine
    named the “Pegasus” for the Kestrel. The USSR followed the development of
    the Kestrel and Pegasus with interest, and in 1961 the powers-that-be had
    tasked the Yakovlev OKB to build a jet VTOL demonstrator, which would emerge
    as the “Yak-36”. The Tumansky engine design bureau was tasked with taking
    the R27-300 turbojet, then in development for what would become the MiG-23
    fighter, and developing a non-afterburning vectored-thrust version, the
    “R27V-300”, with two to be used to power the Yak-36.

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2616466
    Lava
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    Thanks For the confirmation Arthur ! 🙂
    I am just easily duped by the sites ! :p Any other intresting info on some rare Soviet VTOL project u know off!?
    PS: Is ur Avtaar pic Be-12 Chaika?

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2616483
    Lava
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    Arthur Can U plz confirm that the SU-15 picture I posted is actually just STOL and not “V”/STOL plane !?

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2616515
    Lava
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    Flanker_Man……

    http://www.larve.com/Images/images_larve_grp2/Larve_surprised.gif:p That was awesome!!! I am just taken aback!! Apart from the few DO-31 lookalikes other seem to be different! 4th Last Green CDesign is just fabolous! Flanker_Man can u solve the riddle left by AerospaceTech!!??? :confused:

    Here’s that

    Tupolev designed a rival to Yak-36(“136”) project with Pegasus style 4 poster engine but I have no pictures to share.

    kOR.SVVP-70 VTOL floatplane Mentioned By AeroSpace tech
    Here’s Good Site on it and some Drawings
    http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/korsvvp-70.html

    http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/kor-svvp-70-3v-salnikov.jpg
    http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/kor-svvp-70-1-salnikov.jpg
    http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/kor-svvp-70-2-salnikov.jpg

    in reply to: Bierset Helidays 2003 #2617574
    Lava
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    cool cooler coolest !!!
    😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2617583
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    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2617603
    Lava
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    one moment V does itmean it could land vertically???

    in reply to: STOVL Aircrafts #2617604
    Lava
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    aha …. Flanker thanks for correction buddy!!!

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya (ex-Gorshkov) #2063601
    Lava
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    ahh the photo of famous F-15 being shot down…. :p

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