In the latter case, I have some problems seeing the innovation.
Nobody said that it is innovation. It’s just an upgrade over the system used for dumb bombs. The new device displays the flight/target information better and give more freedom for the aircraft to make more aggressive maneuvers while still able to drop bombs.
If people sell an upgrade with a capability any early 1980ies bomb release computer could do, then we know how poorly equipped the initial batch of -24MKs were.
As said, that unveils a little bit the very basic avionics the -24MK had when being exported to Iran, Iraq and other countries.
Aircraft that is able to use Kh-23, Kh-25, Kh-28, Kh-29, KAB-500KR is everything but poorly equipped.
Then again, Georgia has for all intents and purposes lost its navy in 2008, so I’m not sure why they’d be in such a hurry.
Maybe for the modernisied base in Syria. 🙂
On Su-24MK all systems needed for nuclear strike were removed, that include all pipes and cables needed for heating, control and arming the nuclear device. Also the paint scheme was different with much darker “belly”, compared to the light one used to deflect the radiation from the nuclear blast.
Standart IFF equipment was replaced with simplified one. New computing device and optical sight was placed to be used with free-fall bombs.
Su-24MK’s in Iranian service have slight difference. The ones that came from Iraq can use AS-7, AS-9 and AS-14, M54-series of FAB bombs and no free-fall weapons over 500kg. All other can use also Mk-8x series bombs and are modified to use C-802 Noor missiles adn UPAZ refueling pod.
Some western and russian expert claims that Iran can modify the planes to use nuclear bombs on their own, but i doubt that they will pursue that. First they must produce bomb small enough to be carried and also it’s much more simplier and practical to use ballistic missile as delivery system.
It really depends on what you want to believe. There are russian books with nice stories about avoiding NATO/USA partols, monitoring task groups or subs undetected and so on. Also there are incidents like K-324 or the collision with Kitty Hawk in 1984. But i doubt that any good information about your questions is available in open sources.
And welcome to the forum.
Reading some lines carefully shows that the article is bullcrap. Calling the AIM54 as “uneffective” as it has not yet scored kills is so … stupid.
And you are welcome to back up your words. Yefim is respected writer, even if there are mistakes or bias in his books.
The MiG-31 is largely conventional aluminum. That is how they made a useful aircraft out of the show-off but impotent MiG-25.
Impotent against what? In WVR combat against Phantom it is, but against the targets that is designed to operate it’s lethal. MiG-25 was designed to be cheap, simple, high-speed interceptor to be produced in large numbers. It’s operational history proved that the project was success.
When going supersonic the -31 gonna have a huge fuel consumption, too. It might hold that speed a bit longer than other aircraft, but what you write is wishful thinking.
A bit longer? You are always free to name another interceptor capable of 720km combat range at 2.35M.
Here is more info about the book: http://www.amazon.com/Mikoyan-MiG-31-Famous-Russian-Aircraft/dp/1857802195
I was also amazed about the negative thoughts in the light of the Iranian kill score.
Yes. And thanks for the links.
BTW, I may have missed something, but the links specify F-14A, not D.
That will not change the fact that MiG-31(any version) will be faster to respond and with greater range. It is calculated that if intercept is needed at 300km, MiG-31 will arrive 1 minute 6 seconds ahead. That is ages in high-speed intercept. But any such comparison is pointless as the two planes were designed around different requirements.
What is the source of this info Pesho?, I would like to track it down and research more on this topic, thanks!
Well i used to visit forum for russian army personal but right now it is closed. I found almost the same info here: http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=48621&page=2
It’s in Russian and there is lot of slang words. Look for Pilot’s posts. Sorry for the late response, but i was on a long trip.
Enough crap talk, time for some photos.
http://www.daylife.com/search/photos/1/grid?q=NORAD


Pretty sure the baseline, home version of the R-33 is 160KM
This is for the R-33E(Energetic) version.
This range is against bomber/tanker target in head-on intercept. Against fighter in chase will be much, much smaller. There was project on design stage with IR or dual IR/SARH seeker, but it was chosen to use only SARH seeker.
Doesnt BUK have a reputation of operating in jamming environment where in georgia BUK-M1 shot a Tu-22M3 Reco aircraft which even had jammers deployed ?
The seld-defence EW equipment of the TU cannot compare with what was used in the excercises. Mi-8SMV, Mi-8MTPI, Mi-8PPA, An-12PP and Su-24MP were all deployed at around 30 km from the missile batteries. And the targets were not easy either. Slow “SAMAN-M1” with 250m/s speed, RCS of 0.08m2 and fast RM 5V27 target with speed ~800m/s and RCS of 0.3m2. Now that is tough challenge for any SAM.
I’m sure the russian army want badly this upgrade as in 2007 the Buk-M2 performed rather poorly in excercises. The system was “blinded” from EW aircraft and when was able to fire missed all it’s targets.
GOT IT! its actually another pic , but here is the bulgarian Mig-17 with outboard pylons
Nice find! I asked what is the story of the plane and got as answer that the plane was exchanged for Turkish CF-104 that is now in the museum in Plovdiv, Bulgaria. The plane number and the lion were added by the Turks.
Little more about the Bulgarian MiG-17 modification:
“In 1968. Deputy Chief Engineer of Air Force Aviation Regiment Jordan Petrov obtain information about the equipment of Polish MiG-17 (and their licensing options LIM) with additional underwing pylon system for shooting NURS. The idea of increasing efficiency against land targets and the Bulgarian MiG-17 is very tempting. Colonel Petrov searched for advise lieutenant-colonel Dimitar Ivanov Atanasov, who at that time was chief engineer of Avio Repair Plant “Asparouh” Tolbuhin town (now the town of Dobrich). Lieutenant-colonel Dimitar Ivanov Atanassov has extensive experience in aircraft. In 1961 he develops and manages project that upgraded MiG-15 fighter in UTIMiG MT-15 (Modification Tolbuhin) and early seventies of the MiG-15bis in UTIMiG-15MT. Colonel Petrov and Lieutenant-colonel Atanasoff went to Poland to get acquainted with Polish modification of MiG-17. Aircraft is converted into Bidgoshkiya avioremonten plant as the pilon for UB-16 is mounted close to the body in front of the wing to the main landing gear hatch. Such a decision creates problems of balance of the airplane and is countered by using a solid mass in the tail of the plane. This significantly reduces the flight performance on the machine. P Mr. Atanasoff accepted otherwise. He developed his onw structure for hanging of bombs and blocks NURS which must be installed in the center of gravity – at the end of the wing outside the factory pilon, without prejudice to balance the airplane. For this to happen wing structure must be reinforced. Dimitar Atanasov make the necessary calculations – the wing is reinforced and new pylons may be as two UB-16 or two bombs of 250 kg. The prototype was developed and flight for three months. After further testing in a special program the airplane is allowed in regular operation and decided to retrofit standard. For two years in ARZ “Asparouh” under the guidance of Prof. Dimitar Atanasov Col. with additional pylons are equipped 36 MiG-17 aircraft, which proved very effective in shooting at ground targets.”
Note the difference in fuel consumption with and without AB!
As MSphere already wrote:
“Foxhound needs roughly 2.1times as much fuel at M2.83 (ca 1.90 kg/kg h) as at M0.9 (ca 0.72 kg/kg h), but only roughly 40% more at M2.35 (ca 1.25 kg/kg h), which is a reasonable cost”
And that lead to subsonic range of 1200 km and M2.35 range of 700. Can you name other fighter/interceptor capable of this?
Interceptor like MiG-31 cannot be replaced by modernised single-seater fighter, no matter what radar is thrown in.