Afghanistan? Chechnya?
Afghanistan is going to be in war with Russia? And maybe you must update your knowledge on Chechnya. Yes there are some attacks every few months, but there is no war there for sure. And i said no fiction and fantasies.
JFC Fuller i’m still waiting for your response to my post.
No where near the same scale.
But you cannot deny that they also have an exercise “war”. Maybe you chose to forget that.
War against a competent opponent.
Give me one name. One country that Russia can be at war and will not be able to win with conventional weapons. But please don’t bring fiction and fantasies.
Ooooooooh big upgrade! The Georgians certainly did not have ‘the iniative’ or ‘greater numbers’.
Quite an upgrade. And maybe you forgot who started with Grad shelling and begin full scale assault. If this is not a definition of initiative, give me another.
50 divisions moving in and out of Georgia inside of 96 hours is proof of prior planning enough. Moving a division, let alone 50, takes coordination at the strategic level.
Are you serious? Do you know how much one motorized division is?
Yes it was, it was effectively exercised about a week before hand in Kavkaz 08.
So by your logic the Georgians too exercised the war in Immediate Response 2008?
The lack of intel assets, especially UAV’s, is indicative of the near total lack of procurement undertaken by the Russian Armed Forces since the end of the cold war and is revealing of how ill-equipped they now are by western standards.
Ill-equipped for what? They are perfectly able to deal with regional enemy like Georgia. For others there are nukes.
A complete lack of modern equipment, soldiers relied on 20+ year old equipment that had had virtually no money spent on it in its life time.
All tanks were properly maintained and with ERA blocks on them. Against enemy like Georgia they were enough. The fact is that they smashed enemy with greater numbers that attacked first and had the initiative.
Have they had a shortage of Fencers and Kh-58U in 2008 to deal with the limited Georgian AD?!
Well pointed out, the fact that the Russian Air Force/military could not cope with the absolutely miniscule Georgian air defenses doesn’t offer much hope if they found themselves fighting against a superpower.
Most of the losses are from MANPAD’s. What can Kh-58 do against them? One Fencer and Tu-22MR were lost against mobile, modern PVO system in the face of Buk-1M. By your logic we can just change the names from Russia to NATO and from Georgia to Serbia.
The Russians were not completely able to suppress Georgian SAM batteries, which were Russian made, i.e. SA-11 and SA-17 Gadflies, SA-15 Gauntlets i.e. they did not know how to counter their own SAM designs!
Georgia does not posses any SA-15 or SA-17. And i doubt that any other country will easily suppress modern and mobile system like Buk-M1.
I would find it very surprising if there were none incidents of friendly fire in what seemed like a very chaotic conflict where both sides deployed similar hardware. I know about one downed Su-25 on 11 august by “friendly” MANPAD. If there are 2 downed by friendly fire, that does not mean that the Russians have the habit to destroy their own planes.
I think that time-scales are important here. The Red Eagles operated the BN (officially, at least) between 1980 and 1988. If your Bulgarian contacts have conflicting views that are based on experiences in the same timescale, then it would be interesting to explore these further. I would expect them to be very credible. The Red Eagles did not fly the ML version.
You have to bear in mind that not all of the Red Eagles agreed with one another on some issues, particularly the on the MiG-23. It is perfectly possible that some Bulgarian Flogger pilots will disagree with some American Flogger pilots, therefore. No big deal, really.
I’m now reading the forum and it seems that both pilot groups agree on two things. The huge power/acceleration and how unforgiving the plane was. The difference is that our pilots loved MiG-23.
Interesting explanation.
That was given to me by ground maintenance crew from Bulgaria and retired MiG-23MS russian pilot.
I will then stand back and watch them expose you for the clown that you are.
That is maybe too rude don’t you think?
The ‘crap’ comments about the motor shedding blades are made by experienced fighter pilots who flew these two versions of Flogger (and the MS in particular), who ran the mishap investigations into the three losses and two additional spin incidents, and had access to Soviet accident and engineering reports that detailed the problem quite clearly.
And in my post i posted what are the thoughts of again experienced pilots(Bulgarian) that flew MiG-23BN/ML.. variants about these statements. Call my view biased, because i am Bulgarian too, but i value their opinion more and they stated that such things are just not true.
Actually, the issue referenced above, as discussed in the book, has nothing to do with AB. It is about structural loads twisting the motor mounts during spins, and the propensity of the MS in particular to spin with little or no tactile warning.
What martinez and i discussed about is this:
The pilot didn’t like the idea of doing Mach 2.5 straight down and pulled back on the throttle and…nothing happened.
And as was said the reason is that the fuel automatic must keep enough fuel pressure, so the engine will have normal burning process. When the height is increased, the RPM of the engine is increased too, to the point at 12 000m, when the engine works on maximal. In that stage the only way to again retain full control of the engine is to reduce the height.
I think you are somehow being selective in the statistics you are using – there have up to 1700 Soyuz launches, not 831. How about comparing the USSR’s N-1 with NASA’s Saturn V
So which is the most reliable launch system in service at the moment?
More importantly though, has there been enough launches of each type to provide a credible statistical sample?
How about comparing system in service with another in service. Comparing prototypes with proven system is pointless. And please next time if you want to argue about anything, bring some facts. Posting questions is not an argument. Feel free to educate yourself.
The response i got about what was posted here is that half is complete BS. The melting canopy and self-destructing engine. As martinez said there is limitation when flying with speed above 1.15M that cannot allow the engine to be put bellow maximal.
And btw the story about the melting canopy is actually for E-266(MiG-25). When they tested the plane for maximum speed, the canopy “welded” itself to the body and for the pilot to exit the canopy must be cut out.
Operational limit is 1350kmph IAS and max. top speed is 1.7 Mach
Page 224 says it was a Mig 23BN Flogger F
If that is the case i found some of the statements questionable. Our Bulgarian pilots loved the BN. And out of 8 lost planes, only two were caused by failure in engine/systems. I will try to get some opinions about the book from few pilots and post them here.
I’d really love to see a total of all kilogram-to-orbit costs and failure rates for both Russian and American launchers.
The most used Soviet/Russian launcher with 831 launches is Soyuz. Success rate is 0.97 or 22 failures. Atlas is the most used by USA. 574 launches with 0.81 success rate is 110 failures.
Russian doctrine, for the longest time, has been building inexpensive systems and buying them in bulk.
They did this for several reasons:
1. Not willing to spend the R&D to develop higher tech systems.
2. Not willing to upgrade the manufacturing tech base to produce said systems.
3. Communism, in general, inhibits the desire to produce top notch hardware. There is no incentive to do a good job.
And all that is BS. The history of USSR is full of examples of developed and fielded high tech systems. The development of S-25 and the whole network of PVO systems. Long-range radars, anti-ballistic missiles, anti-ship missiles, the birth of T-64 are just few examples. Your thoughts are based on the perception that anything soviet/russian is rugged, cheap, can be dropped in the mud and then used. And that is AK-47, not your Su-15 interceptor or Victor-3 sub.
Nice avatar btw…..
What is the type of MiG-23 and with what engine?