Interesting stuff! Yes, tail came off torpedo and struck the aircraft’s tail according to the pilot (letter via Mr S Parry) and the late and lamented Sturtivant’s FAA losses. The eight feet depth is interesting. There wasn’t a trace beyond four feet, with Forster or detectors and the chalk looked undisturbed. Any chance of the report? Is it lurking the Avia files or elsewhere? Thanks for the info. And Tony, there needs to be something for the ladies on this forum!
Thankfully not to me, though your gyro sight was quite tempting. Map for Friday as soon as soon as I get my **** in gear. Sunday’s Rapide flight was a treat. Regrettably could not drop bombs over Oxford in return for £100 parking ticket. Traffic wardens, Bunch of C****.
Looking forward to it. The piggy bank has been raided and if the weather holds off will have a go in a Rapide from Oxford on Sunday.
A cold start test? The WD40 can must be just out of shot.
“A Napier Sabre under destruction testing at Napier’s own engine test facility in Acton, London” According to Ken Rimmel’s little pictorial tribute to the Typhoon. Knew I’d seen it somewhere…
Did someone leave the landing light on at the bottom of the basement stairs? Is it in a really big freezer for testing something which might freeze? Warmer or colder?
A little model one sat on a box
I’ve got the second pilot seat from XH534 (and a poster of same) as well as some small to large fragments of XH536 which had a nasty cloud/hill accident in south wales. Would love a stick…
If I take a big bag to Glasto each year I should have have it flying by 2053. Baby steps…
They’d chopped off the back end where the serial would be and there was nothing visible in the cockpit so no idea, although judging by the ironing board and manequin inside it was the same one as last year.
On days when I really, Really have time to waste this site whiles away an hour. And here’s that piece again, apparently in Austria.
http://www.iphpbb.com/board/ftopic-81805422nx79380-1031.html
The 109 was a photo recce aircraft, I’ll get the details from my aged aunt. The pastie comments were genuine. Have been twice fed to within an inch of my life twice by West country farmers. On the subject of Cornish crashes, I took my fiance on holiday to Cornwall a few years back. No metal detecting or harassing aged locals about plane crashes was allowed. As we settled down to a full English breakfast in Tintagel one morning Sharon turned to the back of the menu and was horrified to see a picture of a crashed plane. An abandoned Hunter had finished up in the road not six feet from where we were eating. How she smiled. There was a link to a good website about the crash posted here a while back.
I attended a (believe it or not) Me 109 dig in Cornwall back in the eighties. More recently a P47 near Bude. Cornish farmers are are astonishingly hospitable and the quality of their homemade pasties and cream teas splendid. unfortunately there is little soil above the bedrock in your part of the world and aircraft tend not to bury themselves
I stayed quiet through the Merkle debacle as it quickly turned into a slanging match, although I do feel he has been rather misrepresented, not least by himself.
Aviation Archaeology has worth on several levels. First are the personal stories. Each dig is a commemoration of what is usually a long forgotten event. Often the fact that an airman cheated death or was smashed to pieces in a village has been lost to memory. Visiting these sites reminds people of their local history and the sacrifices made. After arecent recovery the landowner was sufficiently moved to rename a paddock in memory of the pilot killed in it. His daughters also had some interesting items to talk about on show and tell day. ‘Yes Miss, it’s a bit of Pratt and Whitney R2800 and it helped rid the skies of Nazis.’
Secondly it has archaeological worth. Even the excellent work done at the Fleet Air Arm Museum on KD431 cannot tell a full story. There are very few airframes around which can claim to be in their original operational condition. These crashes represent an instant frozen in time. Details of colour scheme, equipment and instrumentation can be found (if you’re lucky). You may not find out much new about Wellington O.T.U colour schemes but did anyone know the RAF was flying a Hawk 75 in it’s French colours with the underside over sprayed in trainer/prototype yellow?
Finally is the simple fact that an ordinary person can get to handle pieces of a real aircraft. Having started like so many on Airfix models and Warlord comic (I moved up to the Beano, more highbrow) I still never lose feeling of awe at having a piece of history in my hand, part of something that thundered through the air long before I was born.
There is a responsibility to record and preserve what is found, (now a legal responsibility under the Protection of Military Remains Act). Report writing is a slow process but worthwhile. It is an eventual aim to establish a virtual museum so the results can be shown to a wider audience than the British Aviation Archaeological Council and County Archaeologists as at present. The group I’m with has a thorough, and in it’s own way historic, database listing most of the (archaeological) air war over the UK and this is constantly being updated. It is an expensive and time consuming hobby, in diesel, plant hire and insurance. I don’t believe the ‘accused’ was out to make any sort of profit from his dig, only to offset enough of the overheads to allow it to go ahead.
I personally find it abhorrent that anyone is making personal profit from the sale of fatal crash remains. The debate over the originality of ‘relics’ does not alter the fact that men and women died in these aircraft to defend our freedom.
Sorry to rant, Ian.
I think one of our regulars knows plenty about it. From the pictures in old Flypasts it was a bit on the manky side and buried under or near the fire dump. It may well be flying now!