HaleyoneshoemakWell… I don’t know about the Pakistani version, but…
This pilot sure don’t look
Chinese nor does he look Pakistani to me:
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by SD-10
J-8 will fire the BVR and
J-7G will take care of any taiwanis aircraft
with its HMS and PL-9 in WVR.SD,
By now, I guess you can
tell “to a greater degree” as to who is and
is not South Asian. No?BTW, don’t argue with F-4. He’s not worth it.
Him and kinds like him bears no “For
King and Country’s” in their hearts and in their inner
conscenses and they never will have.You can tell who or what they are by how
embarrassed they feel about the “J-6.99” designation when
rightly, they should have stood tall and been mighty
proud of it, MiG or no MiG inheritance.
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by PLA
Forbidden
You don’t have permission to access /wmf/uploads/rP2280024.JPG on this server.Oeps. Any options?
Damn… That forbidden bit happens only in the
Keyboard. It works fine in other sites. However, if I come across the
source again, I will click the whole link instead.The reason I clicked only the pics
is beacuse this particular site have lots of popups and
people here b*tches about popups.
HaleyoneshoemakRe: Globalsecurity J-10 gaffe fixed
Originally posted by Vympel
Globalsecurity J-10 gaffe fixed
Theory:
The Globalsecurity & FAS J-10 and other gaffes, are IMHO, no more
but by-products of some joke being played on the Chinese web public, by elements
who have this fancy of playing around with the minds of the Chinese.Example:
There’s this story circulating in the web which claims that this very simple
but very blurry Arrora-looking flying object, which supposedly, is some kind of classified
Chinese project — is in fact no more but a joke. The story was said to have firstly aired
in some East Asian tabloid and an avalanche started therehence.Not knowing the authenticities of this source, the
average Chinese surfer somehow started fueling the story
even further. And, like UFO encounters, Big Foot, and area 51 mysteries,
many people had, to some extent, bought into the story.However, according to some aviation magazine a year or
so back, this mysterious flying object was in fact no more but some flimsy
model developed by this guy in some back country in Wyoming.Accordingly, he took a picture of this model
he had built and placed it in some aviation site intended as a sarcastic
joke but never specified that it was but a joke.Last year, he told the story to this publisher
(AI, I think) that it was all but a joke and that he was surprised
that people bought it lock stock and barrel.I suppose he was looking
for royalty rights to the picture when he
revealed the truth I guess.
Haleyoneshoemak😀 😀 😀
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by Vortex
As for hole-in-one….
Canadian heh? I remember when I was naturalized,
the oath was “America first”
OK, Vortex 😀 😀 :D…
(Definition of Vortex, according to websters: A place or
situation regarded as drawing into its center all that surrounds it. In other words:
that bowl one uses to flush away all foul & unwanted matters)Incidentally, Paul Martin would
never agree if I pledge my tax dollars and my oath
to the Americans and not to him!!!
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by SOC
A J-7E/G may be able to hold its own in a dogfight with an F-CK-1 just fine, but it should never come down to that with the TC-2 the F-CK-1 sports.That sounds like a direct threat, OC :)!!!
BTW, why are we into this anyhow??? Man… This is
getting out of hand here and if permitted to continue, someone’s
surely going to punch that joy stick which says fire 😮 !!!!Must it really go down to a firefight like this???
HaleyoneshoemakDon’t forget, the J-7 Es and Gs are what the
IDF/F-CK-1, or whatever, have to contend with now — not the simplied
50’s era reverse-engineered version of the MiG-21.
And, the Es and Gs are said to be, or was claimed by its
developers, as being a handfull for even early serie F-16s. Technically
however (data wise), honestly I ain’t gonna argue.
Coming down to a you said I said thing I guess…
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by J33Nelson
More like a F-20 under the skin
Actually, I’m all-respects for people who are proud
of their wares and proud of their achievements. And along with FF-4II
you indeed are the prouder ones of this particular clan.But sadly! Yes, sadly!! This pride went for
all the wrong reasons!!! Regardless, consider it a Tigershark
then — if it makes you feel that much better!…but CLEARLY out classes the Mig-21!
Yes, I agree! It does out class early Nam era J-7s. But ultimately, the
outstanding question is this: Why then “MUST THEY” further acquire the costly F-16s,
Mirage 2000s, and the F-20s — if the “IDF” was so much more superior???Now, F*CK-1
Incidentally, I hate the term “F-CK-1” because it sounds
so pathetically awkward, almost profane even. A joke if by any
other standards. It’s almost like this clothing store in this mall that I go to which calls
itself “FCUK” which literally means the “French Connection, UK”…I mean for all the ingeniousness in you which had helped you
developed this cool-looking machine known as the F*CK-1, at the very least,
put some people with some imagination and creativity to work…“Put some people who specializes in name creations to
work and have them give this machine a “kick-ass symbolism” rather than
something that people can use as an object to joke with!!!”Tell CSB that and have him change it to something else will ya!!!
If you want to
use the “J” so damn bad then
call it the J-CK-1.J-CK??? Well!!! As I was told, CK mean Middle kingdom.
And Middle Kingdom would mean that it’s Chinese. So, are you implying then
or are you agreeing that it is after all a Chinese product???More like the J-10 would be closer to
it’s classification since it is MODERN and has BVR.
It out classes the J-6 and J-7 by a couple of decades.
You should call it the J-10.99Hey! Call it the J-10.99 🙂 if that’s what suites you.
It’s just fine with me whatever you call it because — it’s not the name
that count — it’s what’s in the inside that counts.Once again, I’m sure that all Chinese, wherever they may be,
are equally as proud of the IDF as they are of the J-10 because family is family.
They sure’s the heck aren’t going to make a big deal over that.I am sure you will
sleep better at night with your
little red book dreaming that.Nelson, Nelson, Nelson!!!
Where have you been all these years!!! I mean didn’t you know
that the modern day Chinese have long since trashed this so-called little book 🙂
and have instead gone capitalistic faster than you can say Geronimo???You really ought to keep up with the times my friend.
Little red books are but meaningless relics of the Chinese past.
It is now but the by-products of the days of jurassic park.Besides, the book that I read is the financial pages of daily
newspapers (web these days) and not your so call little red book :)!!!
Therefore, please don’t automatically confuse the two.
HaleyoneshoemakRe: Re: Well… this one’s probably had it. But, who’s is this?
Originally posted by google
Actually, I believe the image was capped from a video showing a ‘blue force’ exercise in China.CCTV is also British. Who knows here!!!
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by J33Nelson
The real J.699
The F-CK-1 doesn’t deserve a J designation
because it isn’t a modified Mig-21!!!No! The reason it doesn’t deserve the “J” designation is
because the plane is none other but an illigitimate child of sort — one that
tries to mimmic the qualities of the F-18, but in essence, an f-5 under the skin.
And as such, it is of the same classification as the MiG-21s.The F-5s was used by the USAF as drones
or as items to fill in the roles of the MiG-21s in training excercises
in the 60s, 70s & 80s — it is a J-6/J-7 competitor!!!Hey! If you think it’s otherwise, tell me which other
plane(s) was it intended to compete against??? The F-101s, 102s, 104s,
105s??? Or, is the F-4 maybe its primary competitor???Additionally, being that it’s still a Chinese product, Islander or
otherwise, in the Chinese language, the “J” designation would have been
the correct and appropriate description for the plane.Therefore, metaphorically speaking, “J” would be a correct description
and since it does fall in the same class of fighter as that of the J-7, then J-6.99 would be its
classification range. Otherwise — why buy costly F-16s and Mirages???!!!Wake up!!! The Americans are not going to furnish you with
the technology to make anything better than a J-7 or of an F-5 because of the fear
that these techs could slip across the water into Chinese hands.
HaleyoneshoemakRe: Re: Re: Well… this one’s probably had it. But, who’s is this?
Originally posted by SOC
Hey! Don’t you dare touch my friend meat loaf here :), OC!!!
You see, by his alias, he’s likely just some 10 year old out
having some fun here? I mean, that’s the types of an ID/alia five and six
year old kids uses when on the net. So leave him be will ya!!!
Hey! My six year old niece’s alias on the net is Buffalo Wing,
and Man… is she ever a mean machine! I mean, she’s developed a personality
and character so mimicking of her alias that her friends are now starting
to address her as 1) Louisiana hot sauce, and 2) ceyenne pepper.
Of course, I’m not trying
to say here that our man beef patty
is as childish as my niece.
HaleyoneshoemakApparently, what I heard was
that only six (6) F-15s was involved in the excercise.
Can anyone substantiate that?
Also, a Jag was said to have went down.
Pilot didn’t make it. Don’t know if true, or if Jag is part of the
excercise team. Jags would be British. No???
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by SOC
Given the current dealings between China and Pakistan, it wouldn’t be a stretch for Pakistani military projects to appear on occasion on Chinese message boards I’d wager. And just because it came from the CMF in no way implies any sort of Chinese involvement anyway-if they posted pics of the F/A-22, would anyone in their right mind believe that China was buying the F/A-22, or that the aircraft in the picture was some sort of J-12 demonstrator? I’d sincerely hope not.My opologies,OC,
However, I never claimed that it was indeed sino-pakistani.
I just repeated what the poster in CMF had said or had indicated,
which is — it’s a joint venture between the Chinese and the Pakistanis.
To be honest. I too was surprised/skeptical of the claim.And yes. The authenticity of that poster is questionable
because, Santa had somehow erased that thread. But, bear in
mind however, I wouldn’t rule anything out at this point.Who knows what the Chinese
and Pakistanis are up to, or are capable of, after
their experiences of the JF-17!!!After all… It’s only a UAV.
HaleyoneshoemakOriginally posted by plawolf
“Who cares what the UN says?
Shhhh…. Quiet please!!!
Please don’t bring Asian politics into this, people. This is not what
this thread’s about. This thread is about a cool-looking airplane. One that I would
proudly and without reservation assign the designation “J” to it — if I were Mainlander or
Taiwan Chinese. Too bad I’m a Canadian and thus not qualify to decide on it.Therefore, avoid, people!!! Avoid at all cost!!!
This is AMF people. This is not the PD. Please have the smarts to “NOT”
make this into a family fued! It is not called for!!!Nice birdy indeed that IDF!!!
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