I think the possibility get engines, missiles and weapons in the first place is the aim.

that you can get anyway if you have the money and trained people to operate them effectively.

USSR is flying with 55 years old bombers. I bet Finland and Sweden could rise the stardard of NATO considerably and thus it could become capable again …:)). Also we cannot join the Warzaw Pact as it does not exist.

old bombers give loiter time to newer missiles. why you have to join anything as alliance will decrease your capability. I bet if Sweden was in Nato it would have much smaller airforce and practically outdated. not that it matter now as trajectory of socio-political system is incapable of taking those tough decision.

To judge from an official but closed briefing I had recently, Russia will find that NATO will be delivering a few surprises between now and 2025.

2025 is too far and even if decision is made it cannot be implemented to give surprise. The future of Europe will be decided in Middleast.

Finland is increasing training with United States… first with F-15’s and soon US is sending land forces for the very first time. I wouldn’t be surprised if both Finland Sweden join NATO before 2020.

so you are training on part time basis with 30 years old F-15s. Nato in 2020 will be far less capable and less important than what it has now.

Its to provide leadership. Ukranians always need external help to manage there affairs. just look at there international cabinet that was created. even for banking the president put money externally.

cease fire is fine for now. because if you capture more areas it takes manpower to keep them safe. some wars are won by creating burdens for others.

another of Andrxx claim of super-duper Turkish Navy put to rest.

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/78741
Erdogan, In Plea To NATO, Says Black Sea Has Become “Russian Lake

If Ukrainian has already shot down tu-154 than they are responsible as there technology hasn’t updated.
You can see this is Syria that Russia and it’s proxy are very disciplined they haven’t shot at coalition aircraft .

This.

I stand by my earlier conviction that on the balance of the evidence the rebels shot MH17 down by accident in the belief it was a Ukrainian transport plane, and then panicked when they realised what had really been shot down. Then the Russian reaction shot themselves in the foot. I think they would have been better just either holding hands up and admitting the rebels did it or say nothing at all. The trouble came with the insistence that the Buk came from Russia. It’s an open secret that Russia is arming the rebels in some fashion (whether with eavy weaponry I’m not too convinced), but if Russia, instead of trying to prove the missile wasn’t shot from rebel territory just kept quiet I think they wouldn’t have backed themselves into a corner. Thing is they gave bellingcat and everyone else ammuntion with these stupid faked satellite photos.

OK, well that was a ramble but I suppose all I’m saying is I’m sceptical of all sides in this information war.

Ukranian transports does not fly at such altitude. so such belief is invalid. It is Tu-214R that is all the time in area. Ukranian were tracking this thing.
As I said wait for elections. Sochi and southern Russia sky line is buzzing with cranes. perfect place for exiles after the loot in Ukraine.
http://uatoday.tv/news/russian-reconnaissance-aircraft-violates-ukrainian-airspace-558632.html

https://theaviationist.com/2015/06/18/tu-214-r-spotted-along-the-border/