JSRI see. You pick on the minor issue & ignore the big one.
Your country has suffered a catastrophe, & it is still going on, with no end in sight. Instead of suggesting how Iraq might save itself, you complain about others not saving you, & call for your government to concentrate on arming itself against states which are not occupying a single square kilometre of Iraqi land, instead of the ghastly enemy which controls a large part of your country & is trying to take more.
how is country sufferred catastrophe when Oil production is increasing. In desert country only Oil production matters.
JSRI realise it hurts that Iraq’s neighbours (except Iran) will have a more advanced Air to Air weapons fit, but so what? you haven’t got a hope in hell of out spending them! Saudi Arabia will always field a more advanced airforce than Iraq right up to when they run out of oil.
Saudi always will have more advanced airforce? How are your previous predictions regarding Iraq turn out regarding Irag buying expensive European weopons?
Iraq is giving very good production contracts to Russia . that tipping point of Oil production is coming very soon where Iraq will be much more important to them than Saudi.
What stops Saudi Arabia doing that is the fact it would **** off the United States of America! AIM-9M and AIM-7M equipped F-16IQ allow Iraq to maintain a respectable QRA flight. Frankly the F-16IQ’s PGM and reconnaissance capability is more useful when you have lunatics like ISIS running about your country than having a d1ck swinging contest with GCC states who can easily outspend you on advanced fighter jets and missiles.
Saudi too terrified of Iranian response and owners of Iraqi Oil production contracts.
You recently pointed out how some Saudi Arabian jets flew over the border and Iraqi army lines leading to a suspicious mortar attack by ISIS only the other day. If the Iraq air force can maintain a half decent QRA with the F-16IQ then Saudi Arabia will have to face some rather embarrassing pictures in the international press and some pointed questions from the United States.
Saudi not embarrass by pics but raw mililtary power.
Give it time as long as Iraq doesn’t completely implode you will get something better than the AIM-9M and AIM-7M.
They are getting more arms but my own predictions is once Iran gets S-300. Iraq will next in line.
http://sputniknews.com/business/20150602/1022848112.html
JSRThat’s not even a point of discussion today. Iraq is looking for more attack helos, UCAVs, T72s, Artillery, sniper rifles, RPGs… but they’re also seriously in a bind with air defence, with the GCC now skirting along Iraq’s airspace and the “yemen situation” deep in mind. I don’t see how they can actually effectively create an effective air deterrent to the GCC in a short period of time… and their aircraft on order don’t really fit the bill for that purpose at all. If Russia would supply and “man” 2-3 S300 units one located in the south and one in the centre of the country it would give Iraq an effective (but limited) deterrent against GCC incursion into our airspace. Whether that will happen or not is difficult to say really…
The US has failed to leash in the GCC, their media arms continue to openly “debate genocide against kuffar” even running “polls” with support for genocide… their “charities” continue to pump billions to terrorists, and now even their conventional forces seem brave enough to fly into Iraqi airspace.
The next major test will be July 2015 I reckon. If the US doesn’t deliver the first 10 F16-IQ, and Saudis continue their incursions… then I guess the Iraqis may go all in with Russia. Or they continue plodding on with no deterrent as the incursions get deeper and deeper… Lets wait and see…
Irak need full defense treaty with Russia so A-50U can be deployed that can see several hundred kms inside Saudi. than strike them with Iskander/Yakhont. Ruaf size is getting bigger soon and Russia is getting oil contracts so its natural to defend them.
those F-16-IQ are practically useless against Saudi airforce backed by AWACS.
JSRNope. It takes one MPA asset in the right place…reliably….every time….to locate and track the EMCON CSG. The ‘in the right place’ ‘reliably’ and ‘every time’ being the difficult things to achieve….but if your 1000 mile antiship strikes were to ever be a reliable capability there are no alternatives to that.
You’ve then, as has been pointed out, got the issue that, standing out from its own coastline 800-900 miles, your lonely MPA must be emitting if it intends to localise, identify and quantify the opposing shipping targets in order to phone home about….lest they bring down the combined AShM might speculated about on a decoy group….while the real carrier group penetrates elsewhere….career limiting for lonely MPA crew. You then realise that, at many hundreds of miles offshore beyond friendly cover, facing opposing naval fighters….you would need MPA crews with courage of legend to fly figure 8’s emitting and broadcasting their own position.
I have mentioned before carriers are getting obsolete as carriers RCS reduction and speed improvement is not much compared to radar technology detecting them. Aircraft carriers not a 5G high altitude super cruise fighter that enter and exit battle field at its own pace.
If there is aircraft carrier there will be all kind of support ships and subs in limited area.
Radar technology has gotten advanced that even low altitude helicopter provide considerable distance tracking small boats.
http://kret.com/en/news/3578/
The core element of helicopter upgrades to Version Ka-27M is the installation of an FHA active airborne phased array radar.The radar is placed under the fuselage providing for 360-degree surveillance of the surface and airspace within a 250-kilometer radius.
Lance-A is responsible for searching and detection of surface, airborne and land-based objects in clear and challenging weather, including small-size objects like lifeboats, motorboats, or cars
JSRdon;t take shelbyville too seriously.
according to her, Iraq is trying to decide between f-35 and pak-fa.
like the US or Russia is willing to give them away to ISIS lol…
If Iraq keep drilling oil. there is no reason why it will not get 5G fighter.
JSRhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/06/us-yemen-security-saudi-idUSKBN0OM05T20150606
It wasn’t that long ago that ballistic missile defense was a pretty exotic capability.
Two patriot missiles for 1940 era single scud.
JSRI think another pertinent question is: Where are the GCC states in all of this?
Oh yes I remember! Bombing Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen who want such evil dastardly things as: government accountability, the end to corruption, regular utilities, fair fuel prices, job opportunities for ordinary Yemenis and the end of Western influence!
OK the Houthi rebels are widely supported amongst the Yemeni population and desire to set up a representative democratic Republic and have stated they don’t want to set up a cleric led Iranian style government and are already running peoples councils in Sana’a. Of course we can’t have that kind of thing breaking out can we so of course the GCC need to prioritise bombing Yemen over taking on ISIS…
you cant complain against GCC. as without GCC West is practically zero.
the word political reform means handing power back to former sadddam.
http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/756671
JEDDAH: The ouster of Bashar Assad from power and Iraqi political reforms are the two essential conditions for defeating the Islamic State terror group, said Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir on Wednesday.
JSRAre you mad? IS an ally of the west?
You’ve just put yourself into the “not worth reading another word written by” category.
see this one. what will they do.
http://www.arabnews.com/news/558416
Number of Saudi students in US reaches 111,000
JSRWell.. strategic ties (military ties in particular) with Brazil for both countries aren’t quite as robust as their relationship with India.
I’m somewhat skeptical about the trajectory of Indo-Russian relations in light of Russia’s blossoming ties with China and remarkably enthusiastic outreach to Pakistan. Even the PAK FA/FGFA has reportedly run into tech transfer hurdles. I think the days of Russian technical assistance may be numbered, though of course they’d be as willing to sell an SSN as the British and French.
India cant afford Rafale and now you suggesting western nuclear sub. even Scorpene seem un affordable considering the slow pace of induction.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-to-buy-36-rafale-jets-instead-of-126-says-defence-minister-manohar-parrikar-767499
Earlier, speaking to Press Trust of India, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said that India is unlikely to increase the number of Rafale fighters. The defence minister said that French-made jets were “way too expensive.
“I also feel like having a BMW and Mercedes. But I don’t because I can’t afford it. First I can’t afford it and second I don’t need it. So, 126 Rafales was economically unviable. It was not required,” Mr Parrikar said.
JSRWithin the context of any so called Sino – Russia alliance this basic fact is always lurking:
“…Siberia – the Asian part of Russia, east of the Ural Mountains – is immense. It takes up three-quarters of Russia’s land mass, the equivalent of the entire U.S. and India put together. It’s hard to imagine such a vast area changing hands. But like love, a border is real only if both sides believe in it. And on both sides of the Sino-Russian border, that belief is wavering.
The border, all 2,738 miles of it, is the legacy of the Convention of Peking of 1860 and other unequal pacts between a strong, expanding Russia and a weakened China after the Second Opium War. (Other European powers similarly encroached upon China, but from the south. Hence the former British foothold in Hong Kong, for example.)
The 1.35 billion Chinese people south of the border outnumber Russia’s 144 million almost 10 to 1. The discrepancy is even starker for Siberia on its own, home to barely 38 million people, and especially the border area, where only 6 million Russians face over 90 million Chinese. With intermarriage, trade and investment across that border, Siberians have realized that, for better or for worse, Beijing is a lot closer than Moscow.”
That 1.35b China population is moving To Canada, US, Australia in great numbers. look at sky high real estate prices. There is not a technolgy built that does not have China part of industrial chain.They will not have population left to move to Russia. Chinese gov want to leverage this huge diaspora across the world.
JSROh yes of course, stupid me. It is clearly in the gameplan for RuAF to protect some random sheikh with Tu-160’s armed with nuclear Kh-101. How could we all miss something so obvious!
it is to provide them both inducement and threat to cooperate in terms of currencies and banking system. when military power has credibility than full line up are eager to receive the lowest envoy.
http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2443740&Language=en
and certainly they are going to develop much faster missiles than Kh-101. slow response does not work in Middleast.
Few info points re Tu-160 production;
– KAPO wants 20 billion (milliard in “russian” scale) rubles for each plane. Basically 400 million USD a piece. Lulz.
– Apparently he didnt say that they want 50 planes, but that it won’t make economic sense to re-start production and build less than that. How about this for an idea; not build any. That makes the most economic sense.
even if it is $500m a piece. It still only $25b considering the flexibility and capability. Certainly the people who are saying Tu-22M3M will have limited upgrades can eat now.
JSRso you agree that stealthy, jet engined UAVs do exist
jet engine does not mean supersonic.
it’s said to have a bigger wingspan than the nEuron, but shorter
so a modified model should be able to carry some SDBs at least
and there’s talk of bigger versions, like the RQ-180, said to have double the wingspan. those certainly should be big enough to carry some ordnance
this is very limited capability at very high cost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_target_recognition
the RQ-170 is said to have flown over Korea, Pakistan, and certainly Iran
it is being caputured with country in embargo for decades. the other is I said very limited thing. its not even good for fighting rebels let alone proper force.
you mean the kind of mission software which Boeing developed back in 2005?
or the kind of that NG used to upgrade the MQ-8B into the MQ-8C with little effort?
these things are not cheap relative to capability.
you’re confusing bomber UCAVs (no TVC) with fighter UCAVs (optional TVC)
there is neither bomber nor fighter UCAV in prototypes and by time it enter service jamming technology will progress enough that it will be even more useless.
you mean these groundbreaking aircraft that can land on aircraft carriers and refuel in-flight?
it does not mean it can do anything practical. can it launc 300km range antiship/anti radiation missile.?
an unmanned, TVC aircraft that can autonomously detect and engage enemy aircraft? no problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxsntm_N10
its very light weight and short range. 21st century battlefield mean big bombers with longest range sensors and missile that enable to destroy fighters on the ground.
JSROh God, this is getting just downright retarded. (re 50 new Tu-160’s)
50 of those things, even if they cost “only” 200mil $*, that is like 250-300 Su-34’s right there. I just don’t get it, why there is a need to have 60 of those beasts. Lets hope it is indeed just verbal diarrhea.
*Not included the costs for starting up the production again, modernization etc. And 200 is optimistic.
In less than 5 years every rich person in Middleast/North africa will ask for Russian arms and protection. so Ruaf need strike power that is not depended on aircraft carriers, land bases and air refuellers. This much beyond capability of Su-34.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2015/May-12/297617-hariri-to-seek-protection-for-lebanon-on-moscow-visit.ashx
Hariri to seek protection for Lebanon on Moscow visit
This confirmed that they are going to use Tu-160 in tactical role much closer to SAM sites.
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150504/1021703874.html
The Tupolev Tu-160 strategic missile carrier/bomber will be equipped with an advanced radio-electronic warfare system, which is highly effective against anti-aircraft missiles, Russia’s Concern Radio-Electronic Technologies (KRET) reported
JSRhttp://sputniknews.com/military/20150528/1022662230.html
So 2017 it is.. all bets are on 😀
When did they change it from 2016 => 2017?
my claim of Ruaf size going infinite size proved correct with in weeks.
Russia to Buy as Many T-50 PAK-FA Fighters as Manufacturers Can Produce
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150528/1022662230.html#ixzz3bUZrdUD9
JSRuntil a while ago the RQ 170 didn’t exist
its small UAV. not some giant nothing that difficult to hide.
the F-117 and B-2 didn’t exist for a long time, although they targets they bombed with impunity might disagree
who’s to say the USAF doesn’t already have such aircraft in use?
how do you know they not exist. now almost every thing has Chinese parts.
oh please, we’re not talking about live streaming oversized RC model airplane Predators half the planet away that can’t even land on their own
we’re talking about state of the art, semi-autonomous UCAVs that can detect, recognize, prioritise and attack targets pretty much by themselves
attack and recognize target by themselves?
if you want to keep things “legal” (because drone strikes aren’t attacked in court as it is :p) all you need is to send an image back of the target to get a weapons release
what it has to do with legal. It is about might is right.
manned assets also need confirmation from ground controllers today, if they don’t get it they don’t go llive
as far as hacking goes, who says you can’t hack an F-35, which is a manned UCAV as it is. or satellites, cruise missiles, a2a missiles…
any opponent that can hack a UCAV (which is absurdly difficult as it is, as is jamming), can hack pretty much any advanced military asset on the planet
they don’t need confirmation. its excuse to insert ground troops to control situation. pretty much everything can be wiped out from the air.
absurdly difficulty?. try to fly a UCAV over peer competitors airspace
lol, it won’t use an F414, it’ll use a civilian engine
The only civilian engine Europe can afford is to put in an airline and sell to Middleast airlines.
like most of its parts, it’ll be off the shelf stuff
you cant make it off the shelt. starting with long lines of software for autonomous operations.
they re-use trainer engines and wheels
it will be very weak power supply.
the nEuron uses the Dassault Falcon FBW tech
its not that adanced as FBW developed for 3D tvc aero structures.
all dirt cheap. compared to a Gripen NG where they need to reinvent most equipment, and then make it all work together to form a race car
compared to that the UCAV is a Renault: cheap and it works
there is nothing that can be made cheaper in EU. even the Germanic cars are assembled in Eastern EU. and your making claims of UCAV competitor to 5G fighter.
as for price $50 million is what NG expects for the X-47b
Boeing projected $25 million for the X-45, because they’re just reusable cruise missiles, not fighter jets
those things are going to museum.
http://hamptonroads.com/2015/04/scharre-protect-x47b-safeguard-innovation
again, Europe doesn’t have B-2s, nor would it ever build such an aircraft
and do you honestly believe the NGB will be that much cheaper or more effective than the B-2?
I don’t think it will be cheaper than B-2 consider all the money printing going on. but it will it is much more needed than this cheap UCAV.
that is a good point, with optical missiles already available today and lasers coming soon, the advantage is shifting to the defenders
which is why UCAVs are the best option, they offer the best balance between cost, expendability and capability. they’re range quantifiers for manned assets
they unstable and unreliable. show me a single high performance UCAV.
as haavarla pointed out, UCAVs don’t technically exist
UAVs do have a high crash rate, because the USAF for example refused to give them auto-landing capabilities
but then so do F-22s. and when they crash you lose a lot more money, and pilot lives
so I’d say any UCAV crashes (if they happen) would be acceptable. unless you think human lives are expendable
you don’t know the cost of UCAV. so why claim its cheap and cheap certainly mean its less capable. I don’t think it can lift Yakhont class missile.
oh yes, long range anti-ship missiles means the USN can’t even operate the F-35 from its carriers if they want to face China
or any of the advanced, but short legged and mission time blather-limited Eurojets when facing advanced long range Russian Scuds and SAMs
again, the reason you want UCAVs
F-35 still better than UCAV. it has that giant engine. you haven’t proven that over size engine power UCAV is cheap with long life span under high g loads.
that’s because Air Forces are terrified of matching their manned fighters against UAVs, so they have never funded any programs that do
load up a Reaper with a2a missiles and you’ve got a fearless flying SAM battery, cheap dirt
but a stealthy, cheap and optionally fast UCAV, now that is the true terror to any manned fighter pilot
reaper too slow. Stealthy, Cheap, ,Fast UCAV. this cant exist. think about engine price alone and you claim of using Civilian engine. so contradictory.
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