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    It’s not about the hardware.

    It is about the once extremely powerful Swedish AF being unable to put anything in the air.

    One day when the USA isn’t so powerful or is occupied by other affairs, the Russians might indeed launch a surprise attack.

    A recent article I posted up discusses Russian claims on Baltic states (Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania) and Finnish analysts not believing NATO would come to the party if the Russians retook them. Such a takeover might involve strikes on Swedish and Polish air and naval assets if the Russians believe they would come to the defence of these three countries.

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?123706-A-Finnish-perspective-on-Russian-military-build-up-and-NATO

    Extremely powerful airforce? what criteria.
    I presume at some point Russia is going pressure Germany to modify Sweden behavior.( see Sarkozy changed to Merkozy during Libya). and if that pressure didnot work. than there is Shaksvili moment. who is abandoned. so there is no element of surprize attack but large scale permanent exercises where Sweden is boxed from all sides with subs/aircrafts. It will be interesting to see how Swedes deal with that.Russia government has very negative opinion about Sweden for long time.
    http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=385372
    http://www.thelocal.se/25432/20100309/

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 12 #2281711
    JSR
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    So they should go ahead, open the purse strings and be done – given their dire situation, I’m sure Antonov will be only too happy to sell out in return for appropriate compensation. Didn’t the company’s leadership even offer precisely that a few months ago, when it became clear that the Ukrainian government would not be able to meet its financial obligations? It seems to me that one of the biggest issues with the An-70 is the hopelessly unrealistic expectations Russia has toward the Ukrainian side in terms of financing – they seem to demand wonders essentially for free. Ukraine is broke, and if there is genuine interest in bringing the An-70 into Russian service it’s time to face that reality and act accordingly rather than stubbornly clinging to unworkable plans. Yes, progress has been agonizingly slow, but considering how staggeringly insufficient the funding was which the project received from either government (due to inability in Ukraine’s case and political posturing, masquerading as dissatisfaction, in Russia’s), the fact that it is still alive at all is incredible! A good analogy would be EADS CASA being forced to see the A400M through on its own, with even the Spanish state paying less than previously agreed, which I’m sure nobody would expect them to manage, yet Antonov was able – barely – to keep the An-70 going through the hiatus in Russian and Ukrainian funding.

    In fact, I think the only explanation may lie in the Y-20, which obviously received quite a bit of help from Antonov and may well have enabled them to generate some revenue from An-70 experience by applying it to the Chinese project (how about that JSR, maybe China DID adopt and rescue the An-70 after all, in a roundabout way).

    You do realize Y-20 is flying with D-30 engines. so no major investment in engines of An-70. Engine life span, maintainability, fuel efficiency is key thing for transport. with out billions in investment the engines will be subpar with low production rates for An-70. We still dont know if modern production line has been established for An-70.
    Second Chinese have just managed to flown Y-20. give them a decade of flight tests and its only for transport. It is still not universal platform for AWACS/Tankers.

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2282019
    JSR
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    As Su-27 is parallel to F-15A/C, Su-30/34 is parallel to F-15E, not ATF. You seem to have forgotten that the Soviet Union collapsed, retarding progress far beyond American post-Cold War drawdown. It is that which is responsible for the deeper investment in Flanker platform vs. progression to 5G, not some doctrinal difference.

    In any case it is irrelevant as F-15 was out-classed as soon as Su-27 entered service. The superiority is all in the base platform, no ‘super Flankers’ needed.

    i doubt F-15 A/C got 29k lbs engine so it is not parrallel to Su-27SM. Su-30MK is parrallel to F-15E. Su-34 is completely separate platform. several thousand flight tests almost equal to new fighter induction are done on it.

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2282205
    JSR
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    Not really. It is the idea/politic to allow the survival of that plants and the related workforce built over decades with states money in Sibiria with no other high tech options really. Something closed down there is gone for ever in the end.

    Workers from Soviet era retired. It is completely new plant with new worker training. they could have put an Auto plant there instead of training workers on new machines for this project. its shortage of workers not shortage of money.

    in reply to: F-35 Debate thread (2) #2282342
    JSR
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    One of the reasons why the F-15 is out done by the modern Super Flankers (30Mki, 35 etc etc) is because the US did not pursue the program like the Russians, the US wanted the F-22 by 2000-2002 (eventually got IOC by 05) which is the time the 30MKI IOC’d so technically the Su-30 MKI and the F-22A are from SAME timelines (2-3 years apart)…There were test programs and plans to evolve the F-15 into a super eagle of sorts but the ATF won and that is the path the USAF took…Even in the export market the F-16 had FAR better prospects compared to the F-15 so there was very little incentive for the developer to foot the bill of developing a suped up varient…

    SuperFlanker is only Su-35. which have no relationship with twin Seater Su-30MK. and there is separate bomber line Su-34 with independent factory. so there is difference so that it needs its own plant.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News and Updates #2282343
    JSR
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    Oman order of EF is rather small and too slow to implement with first deliveries in 2017. F-15 sales to RSAF have slow down the EF induction as Saudi dont see the urgency to negotiate on price.

    JSR
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    When you wrote about the NATO without the USA it is most of Europe too.
    The Baltic states are just in need of some fighters for air-policing duties. There are many more political options to exercise some force without weaponary. You are in real need of weapons only when your deterrence has failed before. Using military force is the most critical option because the wished outcome of that is the least predictable in most cases. The first step to war starts with a political preperation phase to justify it. The second is to destabilise the region in question to allow the gethering of forces close by. Third every military gain have to be secured in the political arena or is lost afterwards. For the near future Russia is an economic partner and not a realistic threat. Russia has a lot of internal problems to be overcome first.

    Russia does not have internal problems thath why it can confidently spend alot of money and elect single center.
    Russia is not economic partner but it want to drive Germany around. Germany can no longer live well off without Russia.
    http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/news/2013/04/Volkswagen_at_Hannover_Messe.html
    Now Germany has serious problem. It is shifting factories to China and Russia at great speed. This is called dysfunctional state of Germany. It want to keep Euro but have no capability to create jobs for EU. which is causing high unemployment in West part of EU. like Spain/France/UK/Italy . Since these countries have no other way of keep themselves afloat but selling firms/arms/real estate to Arabs. That will cause conflict with Russia. Germany will be in middle of two conflicting sides. It just shows you hardly understand economics.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2239650
    JSR
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    China is strong Germany is weak. If China wishes they could take the whole Korea in 2 months and niuke Washington in the process. Nobody can risk to confront the Chinese and nobody can defeat them. We are heading for a Chinese dominated century.

    China is military strong but not that strong that it can overrun a country quicker than US overrun Irak.

    Germanic software and industrial machines are used by Sukhoi/Lockheed/Northrop. This company built Airbus assembly line in China. and now building MS-21 assembly line. ultimately Germany will shift EU part of EADS to Russia. as all the enabling technologies that make Airbus success is shifting to Russia.

    http://www.aerotec-online.com/en/structure-assembly-line-for-russian-ms-21-will-be-made-in-germany/
    Structure assembly line for russian MS-21 will be made in Germany

    http://www.durr-aircraft.com/news-events/trade-presstechnical-articles/trade-presstechnical-articles/duerr-receives-large-aircraft-order-from-russia/
    Ralf Dieter, Dürr AG’s CEO, commented at the signing in Zhukovskiy: “We have won this project because we combine innovative assembly technology with expertise in the execution of large orders.” Dürr has recently built assembly lines for Airbus in China and Lockheed in the USA for instance. “The order is a further milestone for our aircraft business and gives us the chance to position ourselves for follow-on projects for the capacity expansion in Irkutsk”, Dieter added

    Russia has already got large pool of skilled labor from CIS countries that is supposedly greater in number than Spain/France/UK combined.
    Now it expects Germany to shift all its industrial productions from the above mentioned countries to Russia. once Germany enter into this bargain. It will not need any armed forces.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2239874
    JSR
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    “Actually China does not have any place in Asia.”

    China will only have the world’s largest economy by 2020, but no place in Asia…

    World largest economy? with no world wide bases and military power projection. how is this thing maintainable?. See Japan example from 1980s.

    When dollar was at 1.65 to Euro. Germany practically control world largest economy as whole EU was supplying to German industrial export.
    but what happened after that?. Germany has to impose austerity across EU. that will practically eliminate EU as military power.
    Not only that Germany opposed UK/France on Libya and now it turn back on Syria. with this trend. Germany will put ban on military exports that have German made components. this will make exports from countries like Sweden/France/UK/Italy more uncompetitive.
    It is not Germany has become pacifist for altruistic reason.
    With world largest economic title Chinese leaders will feel even more insecure and will make even more compromises with its own people and outside world.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2240334
    JSR
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    lol you can go on any news site. world is begging china to stop north korea. obviously china is asias biggest influence. but even china cannot completely control a loose dog like north korea.
    there is more korean in china than russia.

    china is asia weakest influence.
    Russia dont think China can control NK. so no point in making noise about it.

    http://rbth.ru/news/2013/04/10/despite_growing_tensions_on_the_korean_peninsula_russian_forces_in_far_e_24853.html

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 12 #2240566
    JSR
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    So designers and engineers would shift from Sukhoi to Tupelov , or do both share designers which essentially work for the government.

    They will all work under UAC. Sukhoi experiance with Superjet is now shared with Irkut MC-21. so it is more than likely that Sukhoi will have significant input into Tupolev. Above the industrial chain to built it will be practically the same.
    This is UAC/ Sukhoi venture with Kazan/Ulyanovsk as production. http://www.aerocomposit.ru/
    PAK-DA and its compoments will likely produced there. without continous long term high value work the industrial chain disappears.

    This approach is opposite of JSF/F-18E. These two programes are running but with little commonality. infact after Italy JSF team is threatening Australia with reduced work. so who is going to invest in long lead times components with uncertainity in profits?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/reduced-fighter-order-will-affect-local-jobs-lockheed/story-e6frg8yo-1226611207466
    AUSTRALIAN industry’s $5.5 billion share of work on the Joint Strike Fighter will be cut significantly if the government opts to reduce its planned purchase from the 100 aircraft now proposed.

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 12 #2240660
    JSR
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    It seems to me that LMFS is the most probable post-PAK FA project.

    LMFS could be powered either by same AL41 engine as PAK FA and PAK DA or by new generation smaller engine in RD33 class. If the former, this would cut down on development costs considerably. If the latter, the new engine would be useful in other applications such as UCAVs and possible Su-25 successor.

    In addition to replacing Fulcrums, if Russia has decided to press on with new carriers then new carrier aircraft will be required at some point to replace MiG-29K. And being more affordable than PAK FA it would have better long-term export prospects.

    you can write off buidling export product. Even PAK-FA India variant is merely avionics change. So there is very likelyhood of building some thing from ground up for export. UCAV can play the role of light fighter as they are likely to be subsonic with lighter payloads. you can put those UCAV on carriers with smaller number of larger fighters for CAP.
    I think this MIG-31 replacement is after experiance gain from PAK-FA.
    PAK-DA is also post PAK-FA project. First prototype of PAK-DA will fly when PAK-FA will be in production. Things done is sequence and with same experiance team will cut down R&D considerably.

    in reply to: how could North Korea use its air power in an attack? #2240897
    JSR
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    also russia has no place in north korea. it does not even have a place in asia.
    if anything north korea is traditionally and rightfully china’s sphere. North korea was part of china as far back as the Han dynasty

    Actually China does not have any place in Asia. It will always hide behind Russia for negotiated settlement.
    Priority of Chinese leaders is too keep themselves in power they are in no position to intervene anywhere let alone North Korea. see Libya example. Chinese losses are the highest. Chinese does not have any influence in NK. why so many NK goes to work in Russia? as they want separate income stream.
    The list of Russia arms suppliers in Asia is very long. starting from Vietnam, Bangladesh, Myanmar, India, Mongolia, South Korea etc. Russia intentially does not deal with Taiwan/Pakistan/Japan/NK
    Only thing Russia worried is the war will weaken economics of SK/China/Japan prematurely. so Russia cannot squeeze them as much for resource prices. At some point Russia will completely cutoff LNG and other supplies from Middleast to Asia. (depending on how fast rearmeanent programes goes). Than it will force its own solution on Asia.
    Germany went ahead with Nordstream pipeline but Japan made mistake.

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/economy/business/AJ201211050009

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2284323
    JSR
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    I’m not even sure where to start with some of this but a couple of points:
    i) where are the giant electronic pods on the f35 a plane which sports probably the most advanced avionics system going? Saying plane X has big knobbly bits on and therefore must be good is a quite ridiculous argument.

    F-35 does not need gaint electronic pods. as it is part of bigger support system.

    ii) your point about the cost of an f18 growler from Europe is completely based on conjecture with no basis in fact as far as I know.

    so EU can develop arms cheaper than US with same functionality?

    iii) you seem to be implying that the su35 is a 6th? generation plane. Seems a tad off kilter.

    It isnot 6th generation but it is built with 5G technologies in 4++ airframe. real 4++ airframe with TVC integrated FCS, fibre optics. super light materials considering the size of radar, internal fuel, TVC.
    have you looked at F-15TVC weight?

    iv)the EU nations are by and large members of NATO and therefore would have access to the US system so there would be no need to invest in a Gps system as a priority. Your point is therefore largely moot.

    That access will depend on bargaining at that time.

    v) The fact that Russia has experience with the most advanced semi conductors in south Korea seems to be implying that a) no other nation also has access and b) that no other nation’s research is as good. Neither of which I see a particular basis for. Not having an industrial base (which coincidentally many EU nations do) as large as South Korea’s doesn’t mean the research isn’t happening.

    It is not just experiance but bargaining power to get some thing in return. Russia offer energry/material/farm land/transport rights to Korea.
    EU is the weakest link followedy by Japan. These are dominated by firms that barely manage $1b capex per year now. There is no way it can match centeralizd R&D on scale of Samsung. The sooner it bankrupt the fabs in EU/Japan the better it is for South Korea.

    http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2009/gb20090825_345428.htm
    The trend began early this decade when Korea’s magnates tried to start leapfrogging their Japanese mentors with innovation. At the time there was no shortage of access to Russia’s underemployed educated class because of economic difficulties in their nation. Many Russian engineers worked in Korea for years at labs run by companies and the government to help iron out problems in the course of rolling out leading-edge products.
    Wider Cooperation Now with the Russian economy back on its feet, many Russians have returned home. But big Korean companies have already firmly established their research centers in Russia.
    “Partnership with the Russians allows us to tackle ambitious tasks that would be too complex and costly otherwise,” says Chief Executive Ahn Saeng Youl of Wookwang Tech, a beneficiary of the government aid

    vi) While without doubt Israel has an advanced defence requirement, to imply that any system is therefore cannot beat Israel’s defences is circular arguing at its worst. ( apologies if I’ve read more into this than your post implies but I can’t see any other reason for your point here).

    Israelis are master of electronic warfare/Survellence. Indian/Chinese try to get there AWACS more than a decade ago. Now with infusion of Russian money and scientists. The gap between Israel and EU has widened. EU has strong points in engines as Israel dont make engines.

    vii) re the short of money point: arguable for gripen but not for rafale and seems to nothing but a trolling attempt.

    A billion Euro a year hardly enough money. to keep update a system. It is not enough for engine upgrades let alone fundamental material and aerodynamic changes. and with no bargaining power with leading semi conductor manufacturer there is no way it is going to get updated electronics. it is not just electronics and but certify it quickly for military use.

    viii) it could be happily argued that the $180b pa that Russia is investing is because it has to play catch up. You make a lot of assumptions in your point. I’ll avoid commenting on why Russia’s defence spending is so high generally as it delves into politics.

    Why they have to catch up. It is leapfroging investment with multiple factories and multiple industrial chains. 7 to 8 factories will be able to independently built combat aircraft/UAV/transports/civil airliners/bombers. simlar will be engine production at 5 to 6 locations. It is fully supported by Titanium valley and two composite material plants.

    ix) re Eads, airbus has been a massive money spinner which provides a near continuous income stream yet you somehow portray it as a weakness. While your point about the need to invest in research is true it ignores all the benefits associated with it including the ability to borrow against this future income stream. You also imply that airbus buying in items from other countries is a weakness rather than the simple economic reality of a company in he global market place, it certainly doesn’t mean those components couldn’t be built at home, merely that they simply aren’t almost certainly for numerous reasons including the desire for a diversified supplier base and political leverage.

    EDIT: typos due to auto correct.

    EADS hardly made any money. Its primary customers EU based airlines are in losses. It has to sell planes in deep discounts with airline rights to Middleast. It has to open assembly line in China. It is still depended on Russian titanium and US made parts for billions of dollars per year. Military side is even worse shape. there is no volume production. where else is EJ200 engine the engine of its primary fighter used? certainly not in LCA India or Gripen or JF-17. very similar situation with A400M. Now this product have no prospect for AWACS on scale of A-100.

    in reply to: Rafale vs Su-35 (splitting from Rafale thread) #2284750
    JSR
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    Rafale has quite exstensive sensor fusion. This makes it possible to often arrive at a firing solution operating in a completely silent mode, without transmitting any data.

    The Gripen uses interferometry to locate the source with an accuracy of 1 degree. If several Gripens are in the area they will share the information. They can then improve the location dramatically by triangulation.

    I believe both Rafale and Typhoon can do the same. In addition this data will be fused with data from other sensors, e.g. sensors that detects radio communications, and IR sensors.

    If the Su-35 has similar sensor fusion then it can use the same tricks against the Rafale. In such a scenario perhaps both the Su-35 and Rafale will stay silent and not use their radars. The a/c with the most sensitive passive sensors and best filtering software/sensor fusion software will then most likely be in the best position, quite independent of the power of their radars, and their RCS values!

    Is there some description of sensor fusion and networking of the Su-35?

    Does it have beamed data links?

    I am not sure you even understand sensor fusion. where are the gaint electronic pods on Rafale like Su-35?. Export price of EA-18G is closer to $300m. and that after very large and efficient production run of base aircraft. some thing similar in EU will cost closer to $1b per aircraft. Russia has completed Glonass system much ahead of EU. it has independent military grade signals. It has gonets communication satellites. Russia engineers have hands on experiance in most adanced semiconductors in South Korea ($15b capex per year in one firm/Israel.
    Safety of Israel means neutralizing every weopon system that is on sale or supposed to be on sale to Arabs/Turkey (which is logical as bankrupt EU is going to export more weopons). It include every thng from EF/Rafale to Erieye. Israel can take care of American weopons.
    TNK-BP owner signed this letter.
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/russian-jews-urge-netanyahu-to-ignore-u-s-jews-call-for-ceding-land-1.514580
    Rafale/Gripen type aircraft are for airforces which are short of money.
    You can see India buying among the heaviest Sukhoi (twin seat drag, canards, TVC, old PESA) aircraft regardless of operational fuel costs. Neither is Vietnam bothered by low rcs Gripen in Thailand. These Su-30 are atleast 2 generation behind Su-35. There is $180b for Aviation development on top of 1000 combat aircraft orderd by Ruaf upto 2020.
    There is not a chance that $1b euro per year that Dassualt gets can make some thing remotely close to Su-35. Gripen is even worse shape.
    EADS has slightly more money but it has to continously invest in improving Airbus to remain competitive and even than Airbus needs alot of components from US and other countries.

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