JSRHigh alpha nose authority isn’t what defines the differences between 4 generation and 4.5 generation fighter. Mig-29OVT has great nose pointing due to 3d tvc but generally not considered 4.5 gen, whereas Typhoon doesn’t have great high AoA nose pointing but generally considered 4.5 gen
MIG29OVT is 4.5G. it does not need those canards. MIG35 is 4.75 generation .
JSRFrench will start cooperating with real gdp
JSRDiversion and strawman. Oil went down and Russian economy has tanked. Airbus, who makes 56% of all civilians airliners with >100 seats has nothing to do with it.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
if Airbus really make ( assemble) 56% of world airllines efficiently and sell it market prices without EU banks expsoure (who needs its own baiouts). it wont need constant bailouts dealing with one transport project. i have feeling this Airbus fighter project is sneaky way of bailout.
http://www.dw.com/en/enders-warns-a400m-is-damocles-sword-for-airbus/a-37795514
Enders warns A400M is ‘Damocles’ sword’ for Airbus
As i said you have no understanding of technology or GDP or economics or labor. 15 years go French wanted to lift arms embargo on China at EU level and it was opposed by EADS (US business exposure) and some east EU. now EU will face the music Chinese of technology in so many other fields and so many places.
JSRFunny because the graph shows a clear relationship. And you’ve been raiding your oil fund piggy bank lately too. Putin promised to use oil money to diversify the economy but in the end he just used oil money to fund the military
i am sure they are going to use oil fund building 120MW atomic icebreakers. complex and unique.
here transport become challenge. Airbus simply losing badly when things become slightly complex. no one has ask them to put 11m AESA antenna on them.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airshow-paris-a-idUSKBN19A0OU?il=0
France currently has 11 A400M planes, of which six are fully operational – a tally which Lanata called “very satisfactory”, even though not all of them yet have the specifications originally envisaged in Europe’s largest defense contract
JSRThe point is that your GDP collapses and rises with the price of oil.
Nope it has not relationship. It can have some relationship with Saudi GDP as there major export is crude oil . Russia is refined oil and it owns refineries as well integrated gas structures. I am sure your retail diesel bill is not that much less regardless of crude prices. I can give more complex answers based on scientific power and application on skilled labor in correct industry . There is capital flight in Saudi as the foreign labor repartriate there wages. There is capital flight in Russia but that is for buying complex busineses. These two not equal.
JSRO RLY?
It is irrelevant comparison of statistics .as each government has own method of calculating GDP. recently Turkey made it’s GDP bigger but it does not mean government has resources to implement military procurement and training with high quality people at higher rate . EU is way down the line if it starts a 5G fighter it’s procurement and training in other areas will collapsed and overall military power will be approaching zero.
JSRNot with oil/gas at current prices.
current oil/gas prices are irrelevant for Russian military procurement as the more Russia signs contracts with China and EU. the greater the fear in Middleast of loss of revenues so they deliver much more upfront cash. Putin does not meet so many Arabs without a reason. Ruaf procurement has accelerated. This Tu-160M2 coming sooner. A-100 next year. These are the enablers that will give the capability to wipeout efficiently and effectively Middleast Airforces.
JSRthis how it look even with limited no fly zone.
JSRIt disciplines it by leaving it outside the EU but IMO that’s a good thing.
It’s better for Turkey to be outside as it’s budget and military procurement is not constrained. EU money will make Russia formidable military power in Middleast and that in turn will make it deploy even more powerful weopons in Europe
http://russianconstruction.com/news-1/27976-europeans-financed-nord-stream-2-prior-to-us-sanctions-gazprom.html
JSRThey have made similar threats in the past and it hasn’t come to anything. Frankly they aren’t dumb enough to pick a fight they can’t possibly win.
They did not made similar threats.
just watch the progress of this fight.
JSRTu-22 has minor role. there are hundreds of cruise missiles tested from various platforms. even that is pale in comparision to daily grunt work with various SU in syria. i am not even counting attack chopper work.
East EU is not competitive with Turkey. Germany has discovered it. Infact Turkish firms own firms like Grundig/BEKO and various German house hold good makers. East EU dont have that big construction firms thats why all labor has to move west. There are Chinese working inside firms like Apple/Qualcom/Nvidia/Google. US competitive edge on EU is due to this big factor. and you want EU to compete with Russia in miitary technology and when already its going backward in the rest of fields.
PPP/GDP. what kind of nonsense is that? i am not even talking about superiority of education system.
Is Aeroflot own by Emirates/Ethihad like Airberlin and various other EU airlines. Russia is the largest titanium provider and help designed every Boeing. i am sure Russian will be replace the unreliable MTU geared engines soon with its own line up of PD and PS engines. EU simply not have any chance to catch in military technology. and its not just military technology but application of superior training and maintaince that come on top of that.
you can bet on it who will leapfrog in drone tech?
http://luxlibertas.com/the-new-cold-war-pits-a-u-s-general-against-his-longtime-russian-nemesis/
“Their drones work around the clock,” said Col. Vyacheslav Vlasenko, a Ukrainian battalion commander deployed recently in the country’s east, referring to forces opposing him. “They correct their artillery fire. They also started using precision weapons.
JSROr they just don’t care as much about what they’re bombing.
They are highly accurate bombing thats why there is not much inside attacks on Russian troops despite the most intense bombing in modern history.
If people decided on a collective punishment of China, it would be screwed. Like if it invaded Taiwan, or started actually enforcing its EEZ claim aggressively. If the West pulled out the rug from under China, Israel would be forced to follow suit, since it relies on US military aid.
you should quit your wishfull thinking . Germany can’t discipline Turkey as it need that labor/market and pipeline energy for eastern Europe factories . Turkey is getting big autos exporter. and you want challenge China?
The skilled labour is there in Europe and in much higher quantities than in Russia, the problem is the political will to devote an equally large share of GDP to defence in peace time. Just very occasionally Europe produces something that shows the true level of capability that exists, like Meteor, but most of the time it’s unenthusiastic drippings of cash on this and that. If either one of the main European players spent 4-5% of GDP on defence, all of a sudden economies of scale would kick in, new capabilities would develop and export competitiveness would increase dramatically, offsetting the initial costs, such that a 2-fold increase in spend would amount to an at least 3-fold increase in equipment and capability. To put things in perspective, in X years time the UK plans to have 160 AESA Typhoons and 140 F-35s. If it spent 5% instead of 2% however, it would be 400 Typhoons, 350 F-35s and 5 carriers, 15 Type 45s and 33 Type 26s and 28 submarines, even without factoring in economies of scale. So yes, % GDP military spend makes a huge difference. Hell, at 5% we’d be developing our own stealth fighter and stuff the F-35.
That Meteor is 30 year old project and extremely expensive . %age of GDP won’t matter if you don’t have skilled discipline labor and universities don’t have any practical experience in that particular research. All that borrowed money will create flop projects.
JSR@JSR 3% my bottom. It was over 4% even before Ukraine and Syria.
Dropping bombs with old aircraft in undefended airspace doesn’t prove anything. And if the West simply stopped sending manufacturing to China it would hardly even have an economy, or anything to knock-off.
These bombs are dropped at altitude higher than manpad range . It’s either guided bombs or skill pilot is putting them at right target to avoid friendlies and most of them at night.
China is well integrated into global supply chain. It can alternatively punish each of it’s trading partner. Korea is recent example. China developing relationship with capital surplus Middleast. Israel is bigger supporter of China than Europe . China space and UAV tech is well respected. The point is there is not much money or skill labor left in EU that can do power projection fight. and that I am excluding the impact of next generation weopons that Russia is developing that will scare away Arab investment further from Europe.
JSRLot of really old planes and spends 8% of GDP on defence.
Old planes?.Ruaf managed to drop over 100k bombs on Syria with out mechanical defect. I am excluding all the hundreds of thousands of sorties of attack, transport choppers and UAV survellence. It need tremendous training and maintainance . and I don’t think they spend more than 3% of the real GDP . It wont take more than few months for Europe to realize that it’s GDP and military power is approaching practically zero. If Chinese do same treatment to VW what they doing to Hyundai motors. VW will cease to exist and with that every thing else of banks and credit suppliers.
This simplest of example. The point is never allocate scientific resources and labor that create more dependencies.
JSRJSR are you kidding? Russia is an economical dwarf when compared to EU.
EU is always in short supply of money . Look at Galileo satellite cheap rides on Soyuz or Italy asking for helping in Libya or big gas development in Egypt. It’s always the Russian firms that EU asking for money. I am sure with meltdown in Middleast the funding gap between EU and Russia will widen.
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