its not just the thrust and weight but the drag. Sleeker fighters have advantage.
Modern fighters like Rafale, Eurofighter, F-15E+ (ie K, SK, SA, etc), SuperHornet, Growler, etc would disagree.
they are not Su-35/MIG-31BM producing between 66000 to 80000 engine thrust.
it makes more sense than India report. UAE will be replacing M2K/F16E down the road and its better to have fighter ready that can use wide variety of weopons and not have bomb and pilot shortage.
India simply cant afford fast procurement for advance fighters. just look at Rafale procurement rate.
No, it isn’t.
I am sure your limited understanding prevented you.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-11-23/china-finally-signs-sukhoi-su-35-warplanes
“I believe that, despite the rapid development of active array technologies, the passive array still has a market niche. The active array is costly and not affordable for some customers,” said Belyi. In a head-on scenario, the high-power N-035 enables the Su-35S to detect the F-22A Raptor at a greater distance, and, consequently, shoot first, he believes.
AFAIK, according to manufacturer, head on detection range is about 35 km for OLS-35 (su-35) and 25 km for OLS-UE (Mig-35) . Laser range finder distance is about 15-20 km against airborne targets
those are downgraded export figures.
As Buitreaux has already pointed out hell would frezze over first before the Argentine Airforce accepts a Russian or Chinese, never say never but it is highly unlikely.
They have accepted Mi-171E for civilian use under defence ministry.
The KT-1 was a stop-gap measure.
As for Turkey not producing F-16’s I direct your attention to the following:
https://www.tai.com.tr/en/department/aircraft-group
https://www.tei.com.trThe Turks not only produce every critical component in the TuAF F-16’s they also have many indigenous sub-systems.
The most ambitious is the Aselsan AESA
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where is Turkey Air to Air missiles?. India and Pakistan more kinds of AAMs than Turkey.
your simply not even understanding that Turkey industrialist and procurement policy are big flop despite being in Nato for 50 or more years. both India and Pakistan has more and modern tanks than you.
The Turks are one of the leaders when it comes to aerospace advance composites. So much so that TAI recently upgraded its Advanced Composites Manufacturing plant to supply centre fuselages for the F-35. Turkey produces many aircraft from Advance composites including its Anka UCAV’s, Bayraktar TB-2, Vestel Karayel, T-628 Utility Helicopter, Hurkus-C etc. See http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/99515/turkey’s-tai-opens-composites-factory-for-jsf.html
only 72000sq feet plant under Grumman. what they produced for past 10 years.
those are bigger than your TAI.
http://aerocomposit.ru/
There is a difference between assembling aircraft provided in kits and licence production of entire aircraft and engines. Turkey now produces nearly every single part used in the F-16 in Turkey and by through various Turkish suppliers. This includes but is not limited to an indigenous mission computer. An Aselsan AESA radar is also nearing completion for the Tuaf F-16 fleet and will compete in the market for a Version V upgrade equivalent. One would note Turkish Aerospace Industries has upgraded Egyptian, Jordanian and Pakistani F-16 feets in the past. The US, Turkey (TAI & TEI) and Japan (Mitsubishi) are the only countries to licence produce F-16s. Even Israel does not licence produce them but rather Israeli is allowed to install its sub-systems in F-16’s. Turkey on the other hand has also acted as an agent for Lockheed Martin in the Middle East and produced F-16’s for third-parties such as the Egyptian Air Force.
you are getting ahead. if its license production why US government involved in it for such huge cost for essentially 1990s era aircraft.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/turkey-orders-30-f16c-block-50s-et-al-for-29b-02671/
Turkey Orders 30 F-16C Block 50s etc. for $2.9B
you only upgrade stuff with US license stuff. you haven’t developed anything. There is no AESA or enhanced thrust Turkish F-16 for any of its customers.
If Argentina won’t consider Chinese aircraft because “we are a western nation, lol” then that simply demonstrates that Argentina doesn’t need any combat aircraft.
There are important influences on Chinese aircraft from Russia and Israel (A country with practically 100% political and scientific class from Russia empire area). I don’t see how they become Chinese .
Congratulations! One of your responses (the one about plasma) actually had a direct relationship with the point you were responding to. That does not happen very often. When I steered you (for example) to information on weapon-platform upgrades, you responded by changing the subject and asking about UK tank production and inventory. The experience is a bit like communicating with a chatbot, and I see no point in continuing these exchanges.
your slightly better understanding but you still not getting the whole point regarding plasma. I did not change subject UK is one of the example of failed scientific and industrial policy. it simply cant make advance tanks in quantity despite has one of longest history of tank making. It happened to Sweden also where practically every firm is sold out. as things get more complex it need far higher level knowledge at much higher skilled labor quantity which Sweden education system simply cant produce that’s why more and more of Swedish products will have foreign ownership or external parts.
By the way, the fact that the aerospace industry in one country will sometimes use the specialist test facilities in another country will not be news to any experienced aerospace engineer. It is not uncommon – two programmes that I worked on did this. This indicated nothing about the relative skills of their aerospace industry and ours. It was simply that their facility allowed specific test conditions that were not possible at our equivalent national facilities.
Brazil is not a kid in regional airlines business. they have built them in thousands for decades now but as things get more complex and advance they started need external help more and more.
do you see advance aerodynamics and materials in this picture?

If you are talking about weapon system upgrades, I suggest that you go to a good technical library and read latest editions of “Jane’s Aircraft Upgrades” and “Land Warfare Platforms: System Upgrades”. These sources will show the number of nations who have the skills to perform major weapon-platform upgrades.
those skills are now on paper that cannot put into practice. How many modern tanks Great Britain can produce in year? and how many it can actually field in operations.
The word plasma was first used by I Langmuir in his 1928 paper “Oscillations in Ionized Gases”.
I mean why it become famous like household name from where the practical technology came. very small percentage of people read scientific papers.
You have never visited my office, so cannot claim to know what data is in my files, let alone the data in the technical libraries that I have access to.
your data has no relationship with real world. it is like tanks in storage or aircrafts with G limit that cant be upgrade with new engine.
Don’t you mean Embraer? Their product range includes the rather nice Embraer 190 airliner I used for a business trip last year. I hope that you are not going to claim that it was designed and built by Soviet émigrés.
Yup it has Russian technology to refine it to current standards. you fail to realize that education systems of a lot of countries have fallen apart that’s why they need external help to improve there existing products.
http://aviationweek.com/awin/embraer-teams-russias-tsagi
Embraer Teams With Russia’s TsAGI
Last June, Embraer rented one of TsAGI’s 60 wind tunnels to help fine-tune the ERJ-170/190 regional jet design
11/08/2000
In: Press Releases
EMBRAER SIGNS AGREEMENT WITH RUSSIA’S PREMIER AERODYNAMICS RESEARCH CENTERTsAGI possesses over 80 years experience in developing
leading-edge aviation technology
http://www.rusbiznews.com/news/n2739.html
Embraer, a Brazilian aircraft manufacturer, announced VSMPO-AVISMA the Supplier of 2016.
While not claiming to be an expert on the topic, I recently helped an international defence consultancy with a computer modelling problem that they had. So I must have some useful knowledge of the subject.
This thread is becoming boring. I have better things to do with my time.
you made inaccurate statements about Russian systems before and you got corrected several times on that.
– Cost: a human pilot is extremely expensive, needing to be paid a salary, health insurance, a pension, but most notable a large number of training flights to retain his skill. An AI would cost a fraction of that.
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when you producing less pilots and more drone operators than time will come there will be less pilot instructors and it can even impact production of pilots for Cargo planes/Civil airlines and the whole system of airforce and flight operations will be impacted. the Civil airlines have now sky high salaries.
Any F-35 work done by a company other than Lockheed Martin is by definition being done under contract. Israel was involved in F-35 development, but I do not have specific details. So there is no need to speculate about “dual citizens”.
you don’t have details and you still speculate that its Israelis. It is most probably some Soviet émigré educated from that system. As only Soviet and later Russia system has shown that only they can enhance other countries. Look at South Korea semiconductor industry. where do you think the word Plasma comes from?
I was talking about production of new Israeli Merkavas – why are you talking about rebuilds and the Turkish M60T? That 50-100 figure I cited is for annual (yearly) Merkava Mk 4 production – which has been under way since 2004. So even at 50 a year, the current fleet would be around 600, enough for major combat operations.
you don’t have any evidence of 600 Merkeva 4 in active inventory.
During decades spent working in the aerospace industry I had experience of development, production, repair, and pure research tasks, so can tell the difference between development and subcontract work. But MSphere simply asked about “airframe work” and was not specifically asking about development work.
The point is many countries are doing sub contract and assembling kind of work. What is that Embarer producing?. this is not called advanced engineering. now I don’t have word that is more advanced than advanced to differentiate less advanced countries form advanced countries that don’t need external assistance in producing original work.
I do not know if the Indians were involved in the design of the doors they are making, or if Israel’s share in the F-35 development process involved design work on the wing.
I am sure all design comes from LM design office to a very minute detail with weight and tolerance of each component. you claim to be understanding engineering and don’t understand basics of computerized modeling.
By the way, doors are not as simple as some might think. If they were, a certain Soviet airliner manufacturer would not have given its US counterpart a contract 30 or more years ago to help with the development of doors for Soviet airliners. (Given that this happened half my lifetime ago, I cannot remember the names of the US and Soviet companies that were involved.)
I did not say it simple. Soviet days and that method of development is gone. Soviet scientist are already flushed out to other places. Russia has now more younger brains and they seem to be producing more effective systems.
But enough of this – it is Valentine’s day. So I am off to wine and dine my wife – that will be much more fun that arguing about planes and how they are built.
I don’t think its enough.