There is no RuAF RD-33MK and other RD-33MK.. There is only the RD-33MK..
That is your opinion not fact. I have seen some flights and it give good impression that they will outperform export fighters.
Su-27SM still has the old and tired N001V, there is nothing on it which would make it “more advanced than export”, especially if the export means for example Su-30MKM.
It does not matter whether new or old buy it would have outperformed export fighters in eccm and range.
Nonsense.. Until recently, Russians have been exporting far more advanced stuff than they were buying for themselves.. Only in recent years they have caught up (Su-30SM, Su-35S and Su-34). Of course, they are specific things which are Russian-only, mostly related to IFF.. and nuclear weapon delivery, of course..
There are no reasons to believe that Russian MiG-29KR/KUBR are more advanced than Indian MiG-29K/KUB.. or that Su-30SM is significantly more advanced than Su-30MKA (apart from some new radar modes on the Bars-R).
until recently?. Did you missed Ruaf statements regarding Su-27SM more than 10 years ago that domestic Flankers are more advanced than export. that is very strict policy. and it is being proven with time as India never had the readiness rate of Flankers what Ruaf achieved in Syria.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/archive/index.php/t-20107.html
Let’s return to the start of our conversation. Which new aircraft nevertheless will military aviation receive?– Above all, it is the Su-27SM. I am convinced, this airplane has imbibed in it all the very newest and best that we have put into various Sukhoy modifications, including into those which Russian is exporting successfully, the Su-30MKK and the Su-30MKI. The distinguishing features of the upgraded aircraft are: the capability for use of armament both “against the air” and “against the ground.” New avionics (the five Su-27SM from the Far East reached Lipetsk toeing the line!) And at the same time, I will note, the price of the airplane’s upgrade absolutely is incommensurable with the price of a new airplane. This is an aircraft very close to the fifth generation. In the end, it fails in two details: the airplane still is too noticeable on radar and for the time is unequal in armament to the fifth generation. However, I am certain that the Su-27SM will not be inferior to one series-built foreign airplane
The RD-33MK of the MiG-35 is only marginally stronger than the RD-33K of the MiG-29M – 9,000kgf vs. 8,800kgf
not the Ruaf RD-33MK. why will RD-33MK has only 7% percent thrust increase when comparable late model AL31 has 16% thrust increase.
The MiG-35 definitely won’t outperform the MiG-29OVT. Quite on the contrary, it’s heavier (carrierborne mods, no more lithium, AESA radar), draggier (twin canopy) and without KLIVT TVC-nozzles.
that is neutralized by stronger engines and lack of weight of TVC and bigger wings give much more agility.
Ok, so I repeat: for whom are they being made?
it is not important form whom they are made. just like Su-30MKI from 1990s. MIG-35 will have to prove its worth before Ruaf orders it.
If they are delayed for export they must surely exist and have some designations. What are they?
there is no point in giving designation. Its very strict that any thing exported whether to Chinese made fighter or any one else is downgrade to what Russia can buy for itself.
Sure because Mig-35 use Russian magic physics while others aircrafts have to obey normal physics
they are the leaders in aerodynamics and material tech. just looe at SukhoiSuperjet without composits and still wider than other regional jets.
So what is combat radius of Su-27SM vs Su-35S then , troll ?
earlier specification of Su-27SM. I am sure those specifications will get improved with more lighter systems.
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/mos2005_day02.html
Which is absolutely nothing
still more than you.
If you read the article it says (or at least google translate says so) that the planes are intended for export markets, therefore they are most likely MiG-29M from Egypt order. The MiG company is a bit inconsistent in its designations, as while they often use MiG-29M and MiG-35 interchangeably, even on their site they distinguish one from another, with the MiG-35 name being used for the most advanced configuration with AESA radar. Another explanation is that one of the current testbeds (“741” and “747”) is being updated with new avionics. If you still insist that the article is speaking about new aircraft in this particular, most-advanced configuration, please tell us for what order are they being produced.
don’t put your own explanation for the purpose of visit and type of aircraft. Egypt has more than 100℅ devaluation after saudi cutoff there aid. I will be surprized it goes there. how much Venezuela bought fighters after devaluation. It is time for Egypt to sell Mistral to Russia.
In this situation, can you tell us what development of RD-33 is planned for the RuAF version and what is its designation?
it won’t be the export model. The same restriction on RD93 technology for JF17. The higher thrust versions are delayed exported.
All currently produced 3rd generation Fulcrums are powered by the same RD-33MKs engines which produce 9000kG of thrust (700 more than original RD-33). There are some proposals by Klimov for further improved RD-33MKR with 9500kG, but there are no details and it is rather long term perspective. It seems there is no high interest in it, nor in the thrust-vectored version. MiG-29OVT was just a technology demonstrator refurbished from the “154” MiG-29M. During the last decade nobody was interested in exploring this direction of development, even the demonstrators for MMRCA program did not have thrust vectoring. Looking at its relatively low interes,t it is rather improbable that RuAF will be eager to finance the engine development and necessary flight tests and will probably stick to RD-33MK as well.
That is exported figures. no relationship with Ruaf MIG35
Do you have any links? It interesting that they are visiting MiG-35 construction despite the fact that nobody ordered it. Also, can you name about which specific airframes are we talking?
you should not be in MIG35 discussion if you don’t know who and why People are visiting MIG35 factory.
There are exactly two airframes of MiG-35 (or MiG-29M, it is the sam aircraft 9.41S): “741” and “747” which are flying since respectively 3.02.2012 and 24.12.2011. The third airframe (MMRCA testbed) was a refurbished (again) “154” MiG-29M from 1990 and does not represent current production standard. It is obvious that the software is ready as it is almost the same airframe as 9.41, just without naval modifications.
All MIG29K airframes are MIG35 airframes. It is built on that experience. what is the primary air to surface weopon for MIG35 testing?.
Absolute moronic beyond words.
Using your logic all aircraft will out perfrom their previous block on all flight regimes because they will always get a more powerful engine overtime
It’s very specific to MIG35
Su-27S ferry range is 3700 km
Su-35 ferry range is 4500 km
Su-27SM is not Su-27S. Try to read with attention.
Your obliviousness to irony is strong
I know what I know.
here is the link Rogozin visiting MIG35 construction. He also visited syria recently and he has instruction to take syria operations taken into account.
http://www.migavia.ru/index.php/ru/novosti/novosti-korporatsii/665-dmitrij-rogozin-osmotrel-proizvodstvo-novejshego-aviatsionnogo-kompleksa-mig-35
Another moronic claim as usual , so what is Mig-29 OVT turn rate at sea level/5k feet/10K feet/30K feet when loaded with 50% internal fuel ?
what is subsonic acceleration rate ?
come on show me what you can observe from air show ?
from engine upgrades MIG-29OVT will outperform MIG-29A in all flight regimes. and MIG-35 will outperform MIG-29OVT. there shouldn’t be any doubt about it.
You did not disprove anything , Su-35S has more combat radius than Su-27
nope. Su-27SM more radius.
So to sum it up , Putin know everything and Obama know nothing. More PAK-FA has been exported than F-35 , Russian physics is unmatched and have different laws. Iam surprise that someone can reach that level of stupidity TBH.
the point of advance weopons is not export but squeeze money out of others. see Turkey business behavior after S400 in Syria. A country that can drill ground efficiently will have no problem with exports . I am sure once they see T-50 practically in Middleast there behavior will further change. the Syrian base is going to upgrade for 200 combat aircraft.
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-And-Iran-Sign-Flurry-Of-Energy-Deals-Whats-Next.html
but more important than exports is application of military power and the money flows to banks automatically. I put emphasis on word advance as you don’t have understanding of technology.
As usual another nonsense statement with no stats to back up
you need statistics for things you cant practically observe. just watch videos of MIG-29OVT. there is no need to go into statistics.
Yet, iam sure, you would be the first one to call BS if US producers talk good about their products
its about credibility of governmental and industrial system. MIG-35 construction is visited by high officials like Rogozin with reminders. Russian producers cant sell a BS product to Ruaf that does not perform.
than compare it with Obama who does not know anything and highly doubt any accountability.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/02/obama-us-spend-50-billion-olympics/
WASHINGTON (AFP) – President Barack Obama said that the United States would not need to match the huge $50 billion shelled out by Russia if it wanted to host another Olympic Games
So is domestic F-35/16/15/18 produce more thrust than export version? or only products from mother Russia have that magical capability?
Pay attention there is difference. how many foreign pilots have flown PAKFA compare to F-35. how much percentage of PAKFA imported.
Did i said you can carry more fuel without bigger fuel tank? no.
you said more fuel means more range. which i disapproved by Su-27SM and Su-35 comparision.
If you are so dumb to the point that you cant download the picture and look at them then nothing i can help TBH
there is no such picture that show MIG-29M has larger spine than MIG-29SMT.
Nice try but the prototype of Mig-35 was refurbished airframe of MiG-29M .Future standard will have 4 m2 bigger wing area, however at current stage Mig-35 still a paper plane.
And it not everyone schooling me , it is lolek who has information regarding Mig-35, the rest (especially you ) dont know exact detail
there are several airframes called MIG-35. and the new 2 are in construction that will fly in near future. the software is advanced enough to predict the flying qualities of MIG-35 from MIG-29K.
Sure because products made by Russian are not affected by factors like physics?
yup its Russian physics. unmatched in several critical fields. Aerodynamics/titanium/alloys are core strengths.
The chart came from mig-31 actually. Anyway, iam not the one who claim Mig-35 can fly at higher altitude and speed than F-16 when carry 4 ARM and 2 AAM. You did , and when asked for charts, you cannot provide anything
MIG-29 and F-16 specifications are well known. just look at MIG-29OVT from a decade ago. F-16 cannot even come close to it. MIG-35 is in different league.
Vague statements that provide zero information about actual capabilities
The statements are from Ruaf and MIG officials. nothing more to explain as they certainly comparing it to there current fighters.
I am sure domesticated MIG-35 will produce far more thrust than export MIG-35. you can see that smokeless MIG-29K video at low altitude in Syria.
http://www.wingsjournal.com/first-models-mig-35-will-come-factory-fall
Vladimir Zhuchkov, one of the leaders of the plant where are assembled the 4 ++ generation fighters MiG-35.“The MiG-35 is a completely other aircraft compared to the MiG-29, not a mere modification. This is a significant step forward,”said Zhuchkov.
Compared to MiG-29 in MiG-35 have been changed many internal units and placed more powerful engines, which are located relatively far apart. On request of the buyer can be mounted engines with variable vector thrust.
Very clever , now you purposely change my words to make it ridiculous. Nice try but too bad for you no one here is dumb enough to fell for that trickery
you make simple statements. more fuel means more range. and completely forgetting that that fuel need to carried and structure will need to enhanced.
There are pictures above aready
where is the side by side pics.
Yes
really how many people are educating you now. the wing area is not the same.
Similar aerodynamic ( just like changing from F-16A to F-16E)
Nevertheless , even engine , structure strength and weight change shouldnt really affect post stall maneuver since they donot depend on lift and generate very low GMore like you cant provide any factual evidence regarding actual ITR or altitude of Mig-35 so you desperately hold on to a vague statements
comparing MIG-29 development to F-16 development. what a joke. just installed TVC on F-16 and see what happens to its range and TWR. you need pages and pages of information to spoon feed.
I dont think so , every single things i said i have charts or calculation to back myself up. On the other hand, you have provided nothing others than your own assumption
Your charts are irrelevant as its referring to diffeent planes. I clearly provide statements from official source from both airforce and MIG official
Irrelevance, different design , different aerodynamic
I am glad that you admit that only MIG29 design can increase range with increasw fuel capacity. Does this statement look stupid.
Yes , all extra fuel will be loaded there. It basically a Mig-29 SMT with even bigger spine for fuel
bigger spine than SMT?. Did you look at pics side by side.
Just like Mig-35 will not carry more fuel if its spine is removed
sure.
Irrelevance regarding aerodynamic quality. Pylon can be strengthen , and no , it is not redesign from ground up. More weight with same wing area will reduce your max altitude and ITR
same wing area?
Irrelevance , TVC been tested on Mig-29 airframe before. And once again , you have not provide any data to show that Mig-35 has better ITR or altitude than Mig-29
TVC tested on MIG29? do you know what you writing. That MIG29OVT from late 90s have no relationship structurally with current MIG35 which is based on MIG29K. That MIG29OVT use Rd33 series 3 engines not the RD33MK . NoT same fuel capacity or FBW or wing area or cockpit nose design. From me statements from official are enough to believe on it about all around aerodynamic superiority of MIG35 over MIG29. They are far more credible than someone who is uninformed and post irrelevant pics.