It’s already on sale, title is TSR2 – Britain’s Lost Cold War Strike Aircraft (and I agree the subtitle is absurdly long. It wasn’t my idea!) 😀
Sky High I quite like the image too but I’m no expert with Photoshop. I just did what I could mostly through trial and error! The annoying thing is that I received a copy of the book today and the layout people have blown it up rather larger so the quality is spoiled and it looks pretty rough on the cover which is disappointing!
Regarding the book, it’s basically a fairly concise look at the whole project from start to finish, but aimed at the truth this time rather than the endless myths which have floated around for years. Some of the information will doubtless surprise some readers, especially if they’ve adhered to the old “Denis Healey destroyed TSR2” story. Hopefully I’ve put the record straight and explained what the project was all about, how the aircraft was to be used, and why it was ultimately abandoned.
Inkworm I can’t see any images either! Something’s wrong!:p
First off, thanks very much for the manual papers Flipflop – I will study them carefully and thanks very much for those!
Now here’s the odd thing – the sample pod pylons did (as the manual papers confirm) require the additional strength of the Skybolt wing ribs. But for some strange reason the pylons were not placed where the Skybolt and Black Buck pylons were attached:-
http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/unknown/558_scampton.jpg
Thing is, I can’t imagine why they would have been attached further outboard. The only possible clue I can find is in the manual papers where it states that the pod tanks could have been used to carry fuel if necessary. Maybe the pylons were positioned in relation to the best fuel linkage route? I can’t think of any other reason why they couldn’t have simply been placed on the Skybolt position.
Really? Think that might be the answer then, well spotted!
Yes, boring to some but surprisingly important to others, particularly modellers who strive to get things right! As you might guess, the resin parts I purchased don’t address this point either. Nothing’s ever easy!
Airfix were a bit naughty with their Vulcan kit, as the kit features 300-series exhausts (or at least an approximation of them) but they keep on issuing transfer sheets with markings for 200-series aircraft, particularly XH558. Naturally, a lot of people who buy the kit don’t really care about such details as long as the model looks vaguely like a Vulcan, but the dedicated “nit-pickers” have a hard time putting-right such problems! I’m striving to build an accurate replica of XH558 for a forthcoming issue of the new Airfix Magazine (I can mention that here with no reservations seen as it’s a key Publishing product!), and I’m opting for XH558 in tanker configuration, but with sampling pods attached, as seen in 1982.
This begs another question if you have a minute Flipflop (ps, please don’t bother about the other drawing if it’s a hassle, I was just intrigued to know what the text says!). Do you know if there’s a drawing anywhere amongst the manuals which specifies the precise location of the pylon for the sample pods? I’ve got a fairly good idea of where they should go from photographs but as we all know, pictures can be a little misleading sometimes.
Course, the other minor mystery on this subject was how the sample pods were manufactured. One school of thought was that the filter shrouds were attached to Sea Vixen fuel tanks, but others have claimed that they were Hunter tanks. There doesn’t seem to be any definitive answer but my hunch is that they are actually Sea Vixen tanks… any thoughts?
As mentioned above, we’re revisiting comments we made or read a long time ago. The sad thing is that nothing much seems to have changed. Pleming is still doing a good (but not great) job and paying himself a salary out of all proportion to the work he’s doing – especially when the project is a charity. Likewise, the people who are actually doing the hands-on work of getting and keeping 558 into the air are receiving far smaller monetary rewards for their efforts. You can only reach one conclusion from all this. Pleming is (and has been) milking the project. If that’s the case, then regardless of the success of the project, the guy doesn’t deserve anyone’s admiration or support.
Trouble is, there’s nothing anyone can do about it. One either throws more money at the project in the hope that some of it will actually support the aircraft, or one objects to the whole set-up and pays nothing, resulting in no Vulcan. There doesn’t seem to be any obvious way of registering an objection to Pleming and even if there was, I imagine that most of the people who have donated to the project would be far too “British” to ever believe that Pleming’s motives were anything other than genuine.
Perhaps the only thing which does amaze me is how the aviation press (and the wider media) have stoically reported on the project for years without asking any questions about how it is run. Sadly, aviation journalism seems to have very little association with genuine journalism these days. If it did, then a story like this would have “had legs” by now. A leader of a very public charity project raking in huge sums of money in exchange for doing very little that couldn’t be done far less cheaply… and yet…
I always assumed it was an aerodynamic modification associated with the ECM plate which was attached underneath? Did the fairing not appear on either side (or both) depending on whether ECM plates were attached?
Thanks for the drawing – that’s very interesting! Could you post it a teensy bit larger if you have a minute so I/we can read the text too? It looks like it clarifies the position of the plates pretty clearly but from what I can see it shows the pipes in half diameter so I can’t quite make sense of it (yeah I’m a bit thick doh!)…
The Vulcan is popular amongst a small portion of the population. Iconic amongst an even smaller portion.
Have to disagree with you on that one. I know from personal experience of publishing figures that the Vulcan is a very (and I mean very!) popular subject. It generates interest far beyond aviation enthusiast circles and it’s one of those rare machines that a typical “man in the street” can often identify – in the same class as Spitfires and Concordes. I wouldn’t kid myself that any aeroplane is of that much interest to the wider public and I agree with you in that respect, but it would be a tad misleading to suggest that the Vulcan is anything but immensely popular.
As for whether one could ever truly regard the Vulcan as “iconic”, I think it certainly should be considered as such… but then convincing the population of this notion really should be the task of TVOC’s spurious “education” role for which they were paid handsomely by HLF!:p
It’s hard to tell when the modification was made but it looks as if it was done sometime around 1970 as pictures of aircraft prior to that date seem to show the end caps without any fairings attached to them.
It was just a minor mystery I couldn’t explain, as I’m working on a model of XH558 and I purchased a set of resin-formed 200-series jet pipes which are intended to modify the Airfix kit (which features rather rough approximations of the 300-series end caps). The resin parts don’t feature the fairings but the accompanying instructions claim that XH558 has “an additional five angular fairings around the tailpipe for a different starter system” (quote). Not quite sure why the starter system would be in the end cap though! Anyway, at least I know what they were for now, and all I have to do is determine precisely where they were placed! Doh!
It’s also interesting to note that the plates were not present on 200-series engine caps during the 1960s. They appear to have been added as a modification in the early 1970s as pictures of early white-painted aircraft don’t appear to have them.
If you say so :rolleyes:
It does! Thanks very much – mystery solved! 🙂
I refer you to my previous posts. This is just repetition.
As for the Ramstein incident, it has nothing to do with operating Harriers or anything else. The accident was caused by poor display planning, allowing a dangerous manoeuvre to be incorporated into the display routine which guaranteed that if a collision occurred, at least one aircraft would fall into the spectator area. The planning also failed to take into account the local terrain. Naturally, such points should be addressed by any aircraft displaying at a show. But this is an entirely different subject.
The CAA will let you fly a harrier, BUT you must prove that it is safe to do so.
Indeed, the CAA would let you fly any aircraft, but only if you can prove it is safe so to do. This is where I came in! Effectively, that means the CAA will allow you to fly any aircraft that they perceive to be safe enough. They might dress-up their position differently but when you strip-away all the rules, dogma, regulations, advice, data, statistics and everything else, that is what you’re ultimately left with. It’s their decision, no matter how they care to present it.
But yes, as I said before, I agree entirely that operating a Harrier would be a very risky and expensive venture but even though I’d be inclined to say that maybe it would present too great a risk to authorise, I still think there could (in theory) be suitable regulations to make a Harrier’s operation safer. As I said before, given that it is the jet-borne elements of the aircraft’s perfromance that must presumably be the most risky, surely non-conventional flight could be permitted in sterile areas? The comment about Ramstein previously isn’t relevant – that was a completely different situation.
However, as Bruce and others have said, the very idea is too expensive to contemplate. It’s never going to happen. To operate “exotic” aircraft like the Harrier one needs a country with a completely different mind set.
That’s quite interesting! I know it’s cynical but do you suppose there really is any commonality of parts (assuming they’re even worth recovering) or could that be a bit of BAE Systems spin-doctoring?! Surely, they wouldn’t still be trying to suggest that the MRA4 is anything other than an Airbus, would they?! 😀