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January 21, 2009 at 5:10 pm in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1234701

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Is there a way in which two corroding Vulcans teaches history better than one?

Well in one way – it teaches you that trying to fly an aircraft any more complex than a Hunter/Vixen/Canberra in the UK is a non-starter… unless HHA ever manage to get their Buccaneer back into the air.

January 21, 2009 at 5:06 pm in reply to: TSR2 test flights…where did it fly? #1234704

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Flights were usually to and from the operating base (Warton or Boscombe) although some were Warton-Boscombe and vice-versa. As far as I know it never landed anywhere else or even did so much as an overshoot! The records of the test flights weren’t all destroyed – Beamont’s write-ups have been published before.

January 19, 2009 at 11:29 pm in reply to: TSR.2 Memories project #1236817

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Indeed, I suspect that aside from the obvious necessity to clear-away the various elements of the programme once it was abandoned, the thorough way in which everything was destroyed probably had more to do with that sort of security worry, than any political conspiracy. Agreed, it’s not very exciting but then the truth often tends to be rather dull sometimes!

January 19, 2009 at 11:25 pm in reply to: Scampton #1236820

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Mr Hutton said: “The RAF will continue to have a significant presence in Lincolnshire – and that applies to RAF Scampton

…and there we are – proof positive that Scampton will be closing.

January 19, 2009 at 5:37 pm in reply to: TSR.2 Memories project #1237211

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Well, I don’t want to suggest you or your father was wrong at all, but as I’ve been saying on the similar thread on Pprune, where is the factual evidence to support any dark conspiracy? If officials came to your father’s place of work to oversee the destruction of components/facilities that is just good security practise, not evidence of a conspiracy.

January 18, 2009 at 11:56 pm in reply to: TSR.2 Memories project #1237619

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Excellent thread with some interesting comments.

Unfortunately, I have to point-out that like every book and magazine feature that has appeared on this subject, I’ve seen no signs of any factual evidence to support the notion that the aircraft was abandoned because of American pressure. Likewise, I’ve seen nothing to confirm the oft-repeated story that the Government had everything destroyed in order to stop an incoming (Tory) government re-starting it.

It seems to be a classic emaple of how stories and opinions have drifted-around for decades, getting twisted or exaggerated, but all based on absolutely no foundation. It would be great if the “dark dealings” all turned-out to be true but in the absence of any evidence (and Lord Healey’s insistance that there really was was nothing more to it that the hideous cost), why should any of it actually be true?

January 18, 2009 at 1:30 pm in reply to: Air Atlantique's NEW Meteor Plus 'Get Involved' (Zombie from 2006) #1238189

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Let’s start a campaign to buy-back the F8 from Australia – bring back the only “proper” Meteor!:p

January 17, 2009 at 12:29 am in reply to: TSR 2 XR221 #1160852

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If you see him again Dave, maybe you could ask him to reply to my email I sent him?! He’s stopped talking to everyone – including publishers. We think it’s a repeat of the original TSR2 saga all over again!

Incidentally, the much-advertised Aerofax book (by Joe) doesn’t actually exist (the book sellers only have the dummy cover), so if anyone is waiting to buy a copy, I’m afraid it isn’t going to happen. We’re hoping to produce a replacement title (not an Aerofax one though) but it’s been held-up at the moment so I don’t know if it’s definitely going to happen or not.

January 14, 2009 at 11:28 am in reply to: Miles M.52 and the X-1 – again! #1162694

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Received some very interesting info from one of the people working on the new book with Eric Brown. Opinion seems to be that much of what has been published about the M.52 is indeed nonsense, particularly the implication that the US somehow stole information. Likewise, the tale regarding the destruction of jigs etc., seems to have come from the TSR2 saga. It does indeed seem to be a story that has become more of an urban myth than fact.

January 11, 2009 at 8:01 pm in reply to: Beaufighter and Meteor target tugs -Singapore 60's #1165228

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Absolutely brilliant stuff!

Delighted with the Meteor shots – I’d been looking for some decent pictures of the target-towing gear and they’re not as easy to find as you’d imagine!

January 9, 2009 at 5:43 pm in reply to: The Demise Of The TSR.2 (merged) #1167485

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Here’s a good one for the conspiracy fans – the documents exchanged between UK and Australia re- TSR2 were freely available to examine on line through the Australia National Archives. I kept the link for them but now when I try the link, the pages have gone…

January 9, 2009 at 10:44 am in reply to: Is the F35 a waste of time? #2499192

Chox
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Is the F35 a waste of time?

No

Waste of money?

Yes

January 9, 2009 at 7:59 am in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1168542

Chox
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I suggest you come back bubbles, when you have something to say about XH558 rather than me. I think the rest of the thread’s readers would appreciate that.

January 8, 2009 at 8:54 pm in reply to: The XH558 Discussion Thread (merged) #1168938

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Graham, that was pretty-much what I was getting-at too. As far as press releases go, that one is pretty amateurish to say the least. Worse still, it doesn’t contain a single word of information, nor anything to suggest that TVOC have changed their approach in any way. It’s just the same old confused, semi-obscured nonsense. Unless they’d care to convince us otherwise? ….

(I won’t be holding my breath!):rolleyes:

January 8, 2009 at 7:59 pm in reply to: Hawker Sea Hawk WV910 (ETPS machine) – photos? #1169070

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The reason why 601 had a slightly different “raspberry ripple” scheme was down to the people that painted it – nothing to do with the operator. In essence, the aircraft was simply an MoD(PE) aircraft and didn’t belong to any specific unit as such, in fact I believe the “official owners” were actually Porton Down.

The “raspberry ripple” scheme was applied in various forms depending on the aircraft and the paint shop concerned. There were some basic written rules (which I’ve subsequently lost – doh!) concerning the scheme, such as the proportions of the red on the wings and tail etc.) but the rules appear to have been completely ignored on various aircraft. As one of the last aircraft to be repainted in the scheme, 601 appears to have suffered from the most liberal interpretation of all! Shame that it didn’t manage to hang-on to the more conservative red/grey scheme a little longer, still, at least it was retired before the new all-black scheme became fashionable. How ghastly would that have been?!
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