Aircraft Carrier May Go to Russian Navy

The aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov will be delivered to the Russian Navy instead of going to India after modernization. A source within the Russian military-industrial complex told RBK that Russia and India are now reaching an agreement on changing the conditions of the 2004 contract for the ship’s overhaul. Under that contract, India received the hull without charge on condition that it be modernized at Sevmashpredpriyatie. The value of that contract was $1.5 billion.
According to unofficial information, negotiations are currently underway to expand the value of the contract by about $1 billion. “That question is being worked out. If a compromise is not found with India, the aircraft carrier will probably be purchased by the Russian Navy,” the source said.

The Admiral Gorshkov was built in 1978 as the Baku. Its name was changed in 1991. It will be equipped with Russian-Indian Bramos missiles and Russian or Israeli air defense systems after modernization

from: http://www.kommersant.com/p-12082/military-technical_cooperation/

I would take any report from Kommersant with a grain of salt. But It is quite plausible. I personaly feel that the Indians and Russians will come to an agreement of some sort and the deal will go through.

No they were not. The Iraki ones were two decades younger in general.
Even the Russians did not built SAM-systems limited to technology of the 50s and 60s. The letters or numbers added to the NATO-Code of the related systems do give an idea about that. Still on offer by ALMAZ or do they still selling crap to mental limited customers?!
http://www.raspletin.ru/produce/adms/s125pechora2a/

Similar thing with HAWK (MIM-23 and variants).

They are still 50’s and 60’s based technology SA-2, SA-3, SA-6 etc. missiles (perhaps with some improvements). And the Iraqis still don’t have the complete plethora from that era. No SA-4 or SA-5 for example.

And they definitly did not have any modern ones like S-300, Buk, Tor, Tunguska.

Once again congratulations for beating the old dinosaurs.

Edit: Iraq was never a client of the improved SA-3 Pechora promoted by Almaz nowadays. The iraqis did some modifications themselves (maybe with some outside help). Regardless, faced with the latest technology and overwhelmingly superior numbers of the US led coalition, it is still to be considered a dinosaur.

Yes 1Man i think if those soviet SAMs were anywhere near the quality we’ve all seen before countless times from Russian SAMs i really doubt they would be that much of a problem, after all Russian made SAMs were so effective and deadly during Desert Storm (the last big test of Russian SAMs), I don’t think any coalition aircraft ever made it out alive, thousands shot down ya know… lol

Those SAMs in Desert Storm were the same SAMs used during the Vietnam war and the 1973 Arab-Israeli war. Congratulations in beating these obsolescent and compromised systems…oh wait, your airforce did not come out unscathed, did it? They did loose some of their best shiny aircraft and pilots to these backward oldtimers. Shame on them.

Next time, find an army that still uses WWII era ack-ack or pom-pom guns and go beat them. That should prove the superiority of Western aircraft.

Coming soon…

I think hexpop has hit on an important point regarding the obsolescence of the of the Su-35/Irbis combo. All this talk of imminent RuAF orders ‘to tide it over ’till PAK-FA’ is just marketing spin by Pogosyan, he hopes to sell them to the Chinese & Brazilians, it’s just to reassure their respective decision makers that he claims the RuAF are keen on it too.
Regardless, the Russians are not going to waste time, effort & money on an aircraft that will be obselete on the day it enters service. The same goes for the MiG-35.

Maybe he has inside knowledge that a Chinese FGA is proving quite troublesome to develop and it is for the PLAAF that the Su-35 will provide the ‘stop-gap’ in theatre (assuming the arms embargo remains in place for the next decade).
Clever chap that Mr. Pogo.

You are probably correct about the RuAF not planning to acquire the Su-35 and patiently waiting for the PAK-FA instead…

But, there is also the possibility that the the Su-35 shown at MAKS-07 is not in its final form and there may be (in the coming few years) significant improvements in avionics, sensors, RCS and even aerodynamics (that is certainly true for the Mig-35). The PAK-FA is not expected to be cheap, the RuAF may end up buying some Su-35s in order to make up numbers for less critical missions.

The effectivness of stealth is at its maximum when you are exposing your smallest RCS side to the approaching opponent. If the enemy fighters are approaching from various angles, your larger RCS sides will eventualy be exposed….Open your internal bay to fire a missile at one of the fighters and you will be seen even better….All but the most diehard Raptor fanboys admit that stealth is not invincible.

A powerfull radar like IRBIS alone is not enough to beat low RCS aircraft on a regular basis, clever tactics are a must. Add a bit of survibability in the form of various countermeasures against being detected yourself and against the missiles launched at you…and you are a serious player in the 21st century aerial warfare.

Having said that, I think the best way to take out an AWACS aircraft is to send in a low observable UCAV with antiradiation missiles…where is my SKAT?

On a more serious note, I am surprised you guys are not mentioning ECM, ECCM, ESM, etc. by both sides to negate or reduce the capabilities of the adversary….

In my opinion (as I mentioned earlier) the shoot-out will be with nuclear warheads. Anyways keep talking and thanks for the entertainment;)