The Mig-21bis and all MF derivatives are less maneuverable than the original Mig-21F which the J-7M is based on.

The difference in maneuverability is actually quite large between. The Bis has a higher TWR and is well over 1.1 when it fuel is half consumed (but this means it has practically only minutes left in battle space.) But it has a larger radar – one of the reasons for the redesign – than the J-7M. And extra fuel for longer range (which added to CoG shift problem.)

China’s J-7C/D is the PLAAF’s version of the MF/Bis but it wasn’t too successful compared to the J-7II family. Although it had a more powerful engine and matches the Bis in performance, the J-7C/D didn’t equip more than a few units. Partly because of its maneuverability and also because of the original crappy radar set that made any justification for loss of maneuvrability.

Huitong’s website has a nice description of the J-7D.

In a straight WVR turning fight, the J-7II/Mig-21F should have the advantage. Even with the larger radar, the Bis still needs to close. If they are both using only rear aspect AAMs, the J-7 should have a large advantage actually. But with all-aspect missiles, the larger radar could give it a split second faster launch in a head-on engagement.

Hmmm, an orange tabby like Nermal would make a tasty morsel at lunch time.

I am sharpening my chopsticks.

Originally posted by plawolf
“beyond naive yellow people”

all the stops are coming out now arent they? :rolleyes:

if u have nothing but pathetic racist views, then spare the rest of us the trouble of having to scrole past u posts, ok?

No, no, PLAWolf. Vortex is just very inarticulate. He’s not racist.

Vortex is yellow too, not white. He can’t hate himself? 😀

But he is very nerdy and can express himself about as well as Haleyshoemaker (which is not very well at all.)

Vortex is asking rhetorical questions. He is saying “naive yellow person” as sarcasm against non-yellow people. He is not being racist. He is very yellow too.

He is telling us that he and other “naive yellow people” has been saying that rioting could happen in Taiwan for over a year now because non-yellow people simple do not know what’s going on.

He is actually on your side.

His stuff is just very cryptic and he has a hard time getting his point across.

But he is trying “sarcasm” here, see. Notice the rolling eyes and smiley faces?

Originally posted by Vympel

The tone of this thread has remarkably improved. My respect for you has gone up bigtime.

First time, we actually discussed seriously anything without trying to break each others’ balls.

It started with you crashing my J-7PG picture thread, remember? 😀

Originally posted by SOC
Leading you on? Howso? While I do believe that the island of Taiwan is a part of China, I also believe that the US would fight to defend it if it sought independance.

There can only be a fight if the US gets involved.

The PRC is counting on economic and cultural ties to bring to bind Taiwan over time. The DPP worries about the long term, especially when you have 5% of the Taiwanese population (1 million out of 20 m) already working and living in China and that figure is growing exponentially.

Chen and DPP doesn’t trust the Taiwanese military to fight for independence. He trusts the US military to fight for him.

The US stance had given him extraordinary powers if you think about it. How many other world leaders have the ability to bring the US military into a war on his behalf?

Americans should think closely about this: right after the assassination attempt, the first thing that Chen did was call on the National Security Act, which blocks about a quarter of a million Taiwanese military personnel from voting.

Why? Because the Taiwanese military is one of the traditional supporters of unification in spite of the recent purges.

There is every possibility that the US would be the one shouldering the entire fight for Taiwanese independence.

If the DPP declared independence unilaterally, I think there a real possibilty that large elements of the Taiwan military would simply switch sides. This happened in the Chinese civil war 1949.