Yup. The WS-6 was originally developed for the J-13, H-6 and J-9 and its development started in the 1960s.

I should make it clear that the WS-6 was for a H-6 variant with four engines also called according to different publications as the H-8. The base H-6 uses WP-8 turbojets.

Only a small handful of nations can produce a turbojet without outside content today much less over 50,000 of them.

Modern mil-engine manufacturing, even turboprops, is done by a pretty select group. Mass manufacturing of jet engines to support a 4000-plane air force is restricted to three nations. China is one of them.

This is based on ??? :confused: Select club of what? Copying engines…yes. That’s true. The most prolific jet engine copying nation…

Making engines. China made around 55,000 military jet engines. More than any other nation except for the US and the former USSR.

Unless you can place an military jet engine on a Cannon copier and an engine magically comes out the other end, you will have to do something called “manufacturing.”

If some nation is as skilled as you say, then what’s all this commotion with WSxx. :rolleyes:

Not my commotion.

At any rate, it’s more skilled than 187 of the 191 members of the United Nations at manufacturing jet engines, the four China is not necessarily better than are the other members of the P5.

So where are England and France? what about Snecma or Rolls Royce? what about ZMDB Progress (Lotarev) from Ukraine? where are IHI from Japan?

England and France are both P5 nations but actually produced fewer engines than China, the US and Russia. Ukraine and Japan, not even close, unless you count the engines Ukraine produced during the USSR. It was not a separate nation then.

All nations plan for possible threats. Korea is a potent nation in a potent neighborhood with great powers on either side. The Korean stealth aircraft is aimed as much against Japan as China.

Unlike Korea, China has only to plan for the east side. China’s western border is basically devoid of major airbases and mainforce land units because of the current (and historic) lack of serious threat from India.

Korea’s aircraft industry will push China’s and Japan’s obviously. Over time, it’s a good thing for Asians to compete. Just as China, Japan and Korea does in every field of economics, geo-politics and sports.

Again, where did I say the MKK was superior or even equal?

The MKI fans brought up both the MKI and MKK. Nobody else did. This thread is about the Su-35 Super Flanker and the F-22. Neither the MKI or MKK should ever have been in the thread.

They wouldn’t been were it not for the attempts to insert a Russian export variant as being better than the F-22 aerodynamically.

But if you absolutely need to talk about the MKI as the “Super Flanker” instead of the Su-35, at least look at the reality of the program instead of just the hype.

The MKI has been delivered in small numbers and in varying state of readiness with 32 in all. The first two batches were of 10 and 12 while the third one is of 10.

On May 19 2006, the last 10 MKIs do not even have their systems integrated.

So even by being generous and assuming that the other two batches are in perfect order, there are STILL only 22 MKIs in service. That’s barely a single squadron’s worth.

By contrast, there are 68 F-22s cleared for service at Langley.

Again, if you insist on the comparing the MKI to the F-22 instead of using the Su-35 as the original post called for then at least look at the facts. The facts are this is not a well-tested aircraft out in great numbers. It is, in fact, a lot less wrung out and tested than the F-22 (in spite of being infinitely less complex) and available only in small numbers.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=386128
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Sukhoi faces huge cost esclation: CAG
NEW DELHI, MAY 19 (PTI)

Licensed production of multi-role Sukhoi-30MKI fighters in the country is running into huge costs overruns and some of them in the latest batch are flying without some advanced critical airborne systems.

To add to this, the indigenous manufacture of the Russian frontline fighters is working out to more than the cost of imports, according to the latest report of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) placed in Parliament today.

Three critical airborne systems of the fighters– electronic warfare system, reconissance system and direction finding modular radar have not not been integrated with the latest batch of aircraft delivered by the Russians under the November 1996 contract, the report said.
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Trying to crowbar the “Super Flanker” moniker onto your favorite Flanker is just plain silly. Russia has traditionally exported monkey versions. The Super Flanker is the Su-35/37 and the idea that an export variant would be a better Super Flanker is ludicrous.

There is no reason to insert your favorite Flanker variant into this discussion simply because you think your nation’s Su-30 is more “super.” The Super Flanker is the Su-35.

As far as all the talk about local avionics is giving an export variant (in Russian terminology, a monkey version) an advantage over a Russian Su-35, it’s extremely naive when the N011M radar itself is Russian and the radar put in the Su-35 will not have its capabilities limited.

If you claim that the MKI or any other export variant would have a better radar from Russia than the Russians themselves then you are claiming some political impossibility where Russia will provide better radar sets to a foreign nation than to itself.

Now the silliest arguments in this thread is the immensely naive idea that the Flanker in any variant would have an edge over the F-22 in any flight regime. The F-22 was designed from the ground up for TVC flight as well as stealth and supercruise. It creates vortices and high angle of attacks without the penalties of tacking on canards. There is a reason why it is by far the most expensive fighter program in history.

The MKI isn’t even as wrung out as the F-22 when there are only 20 or 30 odd aircraft with piecemeal induction of 8 or 12 planes every two years since 2003. There are already 68 F-22s at Langley.

Keep to the Su-35. If there is any possibility that a Flanker could remotely challenge the F-22, it would have to come from Russia and it won’t be any of the export variants.