thats right and not only f-6 but also ft5,f7a,750t59,300A531apc,type63mlr,800+ pieces of heavy artillery,and the production line of type56.
p.s proud owner of a Norinco type56
The Albanian use of Chinese weapons is well documented in several threads here at AFM 🙂
JH-7A zooming along with what looks like an 80X series air-launched AShM.
Nice picts, kid.
Arthur will deal with you for calling him a joke.
Yeah, I think it looks photoshopped too, that is another thing the Chinese are good at.
Flogger is Chinese? He’s the one who PSed it and posted it, don’t blame the Chinese!
Albanian F-6s
The canted tips of the J-10, like F-15, are there for aerodynamic reasons. Putting wingtip rails on either changes the basic design of the wings.
1/48 scale model of the FC-1 prototype 01!
Saw the F-16A at Chengdu Aircraft Factory. Seven people at all. This fact was included in the Brazilian Air Force F-7M evaluation report. China, possibly, has another F-16. One Thunderbird aircraft disapear there according a Lockheed VP.
Peperez
Thanks for the info, Pepe.
Btw, Pepe’s comments in this and the Q-5 thread indicate someone who knows Chinese aviation to a very high degree. I know as someone who’ve been PLA watching from the period Pepe is talking about.
Not too many people would know Lu XiaoPeng (his spelling is actually correct as opposed to mine 🙂 ) as the chief designer of the Q-5. And no one would have claimed to have met him unless he has.
Pepe has my vote as a very good resource and I hope he posts more in this thread and others.
🙂 j1o with sd10
Very nice, indeed!
they told me J-7III was inferior to F-7M in maneuver and visibility aspects, so, they decided to close assembly line after only a 100 production batch. This was in 1987. J-7III was a reverse enginering program from some Egiptian MiG-21MF (I saw some of them at a Research and Development Centre near Xian). There I could see also a line with around 20 original J-8A fighters with nose intakes. In that place I also saw one of the first J-8II fighters and a H-6 with a ICBM mockup under the belly!
By the way. CAC test pilot, Mr. Chiquing (I hope I spell it correctly) flying a F-7M won five of ten simulated combat against a Paquistani F-16A flew by a experienced pilot. The Paquistani pilot won three combats and two were inconclusive. After that Paquistani Air Force bought its F-7P.
Cheers
Pepe Rezende
Not often do we get people here who’ve actually been to the Chinese aviation meccas at Xi’an, Chengdu and Nanchang 😀
Accessed the plane in 1987. At Nanchang Factory it was a plane without national markings but with starboard elevator and rear fuselage almost destroyed by a near miss missile explosion! It returned to base to be reconstructed once more at Nanchang Factory.
Interesting! I wonder who hit that Q-5. Too bad there were no national markings. One would wonder did it belong to PAF, PLAAF or another air force and who was fighting during that period.
This prove of sturdiness impressed a lot Brazilian Air Force officers.
Pepe Rezende
Was your visit on part of the FAB? Did Brazil consider the Q-5?
to meet Mr. Lu Xiao Peng at the Nanchang Aircraft Corporation in 1987. He was a fine and clever guy. There was a study to give swinging wings to Q-5.
Cheers from Brazil
Pepe Rezende
Hello Pepe, thank you for sharing!
I think Mr. Lu’s name is normally spelled in pinyin as Lu XiaoBing. He was the chief designer of the Q-5 and was the director of the J-12 project too. His team involved members from the JJ-1 too. He is considered among those who preserved Chinese aviation during a very bad time.
Very interesting that he thought of the swingwing. There was a Q-6 project in the 1970s and early 80s that was to employ a variable geometry wing.
Pepe, you have some wonderful insight. Tell us more on your opinion of the Q-5 and also let us know of the relationship between Nanchang and Brazil (if any.)
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There is also the F. There are probably 200 or less of these late models with the majority of them being the D variant. Series production has supposedly ended for all Q-5s.I have to disagree on this one. The fact you have Q-5E/F/J prototypes indicate that new aircraft are still being built, even at reduced levels. Once you have dissolved a production line, it’s like Humpty Dumpy—it is very hard to get everything back, with all the skilled labor and management gone.
The J prototype is exactly that. The model is not in series production yet and it could be nothing more than a proposal prototype (like the A6F or F-18L) that never enter full production.
I have no idea if the D or E/F are in series right now. But there is no official word that the line is discontinued either. That’s why I said supposedly as more than one printed source said the line is no longer in production .
Like the J-7 and J-8II lines, there has to be some low rate of production in order to keep the production line, then ramp up the production if needed.
Agree.
Personally there is something about the way plane looks that I look, quite raw, spunky and retro looking.
Spunky, it certainly was. The history of the Q-5 makes for fantastic reading. The team at Nanchang (NAMC) who designed the Q-5 keep the project alive throughout the Cultural Revolution. They weren’t officially supported. Then again that team had always mavericks and enthusiasts.
The Q-5 team had included members who were involved in China’s first jet fighter, the JJ-1, and then the wildly successful CJ6A.
A few years ago, the lead designer that kept the Q-5 alive died. I don’t have his name off the top of my head. He was in his 80s. There were stories that his passing mean the end of the Q-5.
By the way, NAMC today is Hongdu which is still among the most nimble of China’s aviation firms with its K-8 and L-15.
Wise points, Archie!
The best and longest running threads are those like the “Small air forces” and “Chinese news, pictures and speculation” threads where people simply discuss aviation for the love of it.
The old FC-1 threads — once we ignored flamers and followed just the development of that plane — were the first of the “super” threads that garnered tens of thousands of views and literally thousands of posts.
If you enjoy aviation, you enjoy aircraft period.
Needing to do a “versus” thread to compare your nation’s aircraft to another nation’s is stupid and smacks of small-minded jealousy. Don’t compare, just start a thread on your favorite aircraft and if other people like it, they’ll join the discussion.
Again, great points!