Really… 6th Gen?
Harper is sticking by his guns.
This leads me to believe that this is an apples-to-oranges comparison thing.
What he did not say is what that cost covers (REC Flyaway, Flyaway, Weapon System Cost, APUC, etc). There is a huge gap between those prices.
What mission doe it need to perform that requires a “derivative F-35”?
Up to date F-16’s are 4th gen.
To fit in a VLS your talking a tomahawk sized missile (ie the Tactical Tomahawk CM with 900m range & carries a 1000lb class penetrator). But, there are still targets out there that require a 2000lb class warhead or are out of effective range of the Tomahawk.
SRBM = Short Ranged Ballistic Missile?
If true then what SRBM can carry a 2000lb warhead to 50k (altitude needed to achieve speed needed to penetrate)? Besides, where would you fire it from?
When will (or have) the Italian F-16’s lease ended? These were refurbed in the early 2000’s and are up to spec (as of then anyways).
Why use a B2 for just 2 bombs?
Several possibilities:
1. The target requires a larger warhead than a cruise missile can provide.
2. The target required deeper penetration than can be achieved via a cruise missile.
3. The target was out of range of cruise missiles.
4. The target was in denied airspace that precluded the use of 4th gen aircraft to prosecute the mission.
Also keep in mind that the B2 is not for sale therefore what is there to market. There is also the issue to the non-use of the F-22. If anything would have been a marketing gimmick it would have been sending the F-22 in to bomb pre-determined targets and LM could then tout the advantages of a 5th gen fighter (ie F-35).
Why use a nuclear sub for just 7 cruise missiles?
Maybe they ran out of CW on other platforms or they needed to launch from close to shore where a ship could not go.
Why use Brimstones and not Hellfire or Maverics on targets out in the open desert.
Hellfire missiles cannot be fired from fast moving jets and Mavericks are overkill & have limited carriage due to size.
Here is a recent Fighter Recap graph showing that some of the F-15Es (more to the point, it’s mission set) will likely be eventually replaced by the F-35.
My bet is on UCAVs.

Energo over at F-16.net found a good Canadian F-35 site with weekly updates direcly from the JPO.
Here is the latest.
Source: http://f-35.ca/2011/f-35-weekly-update-%e2%80%93-march-24-2011/
Thursday, March 24th, 2011
F-35 Weekly Update – March 24, 2011
A Message from Larry LawsonOn March 15, all four STOVL test aircraft at PAX returned to flight following the flight restrictions that I discussed last week. In the days that followed, BF-1 flew once for Mode 4 testing including STOs, SLs and one VL. BF-2 flew once for Mode 4 testing, including STOs, SLs and hover. The jet will be in mod for about two and a half months in preparation for ship operations. BF-3 flew twice for flying qualities, loads speedbrake expansion, and air data testing, and will be down for door modifications next week. BF-4 flew twice with one mission and entered night-lighting ground testing. It will soon move into Mode 4 work to characterize the jet for boat preparation.
At Edwards AFB, AF-2 achieved its 100th flight. AF-3 resumed flight ops for a functional check of the newly installed Mission Systems software and hardware, and returned Code One.
On the production side of the house, the forward fuselage team completed their final preparations to move to preassembly in the 120? bay. Also, in the Aircraft Finish Facility (AFF), we currently have five aircraft in for finishes, which is an all time high.
This week in Global Sustainment, the Sustainment Performance Management (SPM) VST achieved a critical milestone in interim data reporting and analysis efforts. The sustainment core finished implementation of batch data transfer into SPMS and rolled it to production. These capabilities will relieve time and manpower pressures until the fully automated reporting capabilities arrive with ALIS 1.0.3.
Also under the sustainment umbrella, last week, our U.K. vendor, EDM, delivered the Ejection System Maintenance Trainer, (ESMT) to the Academic Training Center (ATC) at Eglin AFB. Four trucks are now being unloaded, and the ESMT will be prepared for installation in the near term. I look forward to reporting our continued progress on the impressive pilot training facilities in Florida.
A Message from Tom Burbage
Last week, Kevin Smith and our F-35 domestic customer engagement team hosted a two-day “fighter posse” to discuss domestic program strategies and F-35 advocacy campaigns. During the meeting, the team discussed program status and our 2011 strategy and objectives with more than 40 participants from the wider Business Development community.
Also last week at the Pentagon, Bill Grant from our F-35 supportable LO team provided an LO materials and supportability briefing to the new HQMC Deputy Commandant for Aviation, Lt. Gen. Terry ‘Guts’ Robling. Robling and his deputy, Brig. Gen. Gary ‘Lurch’ Thomas, requested the briefing before the Congressional testimony on March 15 to ensure they were prepared to answer questions concerning the supportability of 5th generation materials in an expeditionary environment. The most salient takeaways for both men was the clear difference between F-22 and F-35 LO supportability, and the degree of effort expended by the program to ensure supportability improvements over legacy aircraft. Thanks to Bill and Eric van Camp for coordinating these presentations.
This week, I will attend the annual Royal Air Force (RAF) Board to Board meeting in the U.K. This is a unique bi-annual forum when the RAF meets with their major suppliers to share information on current and future programs, and build relationships with senior management. This will be our first chance to speak with the senior RAF leadership and address the many changes that have occurred within the U.K. F-35 program.
This week, the Fort Worth team is hosting a series of high level visitors including the acting Deputy Secretary of the Air Force for Acquisition, Mr. Dave van Buren; the USAF Commander of the Air Education and Training Center, Gen. Ed Rice; and Lt. Gen. Terry Robling.
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Turkey REALLY wants the codes and puts a hold on the order.
Bigger question, what are they talking about in the underlined sections?
Turkey Puts F-35 Order on Hold Over US Refusal to Share Technology
(Source: Today’s Zaman; published March 23, 2011)
Turkey has announced that it is putting the planned purchase of 100 F-35 fighter jets from the US on hold because the Pentagon refuses to share the source code used in the software designed for the aircraft as well as the codes that might be used externally to activate the planes.
Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül said on Tuesday, following a meeting of the Defense Industry Implementation Committee (SSİK), that the negotiations over the F-35 procurement tender had not yielded “satisfactory results.” He said, “We will evaluate the order in the next meeting, in light of the progress made in the talks by then.”
He said much ground had been covered in the talks in terms of technology sharing, but this was not enough for Turkey to accept the jets. He said the costs of the project had also increased but that the Turkish side had failed to secure the source code and the remote flight codes for the planes for which it will be paying $16 billion.
Without the source code, Turkish engineers wouldn’t be able to make any changes to the software that operates the jets. The external flight codes are equally important, if not more, as they can be used externally to navigate the jets.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Chief of General Staff Gen. Işık Koşaner and Minister Gönül attended Monday’s SSİK meeting, which took place at the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) offices.
I am surprised at that Hornet + 4 Sidewinder setup. I figured with an Australian bird it would carry an ASRAAM. Also it looks to be loaded for Anti-shipping duty which makes the number of Sidewinders odd too.
Well, the F-15 was initially never intended to carry bombs either 😉
Remember “Not a pound for the ground” 🙂
Google is my friend.. but apparently not yours 😉
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